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hey before we get into this episode of

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tales from the rabbit hole I want to

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give a little bit of context a little

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scene setting and a few little warnings

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the guest today is Gary Voorhis who is a

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witness to the 2004 Nimitz UFO encounter

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now Gary says he saw the UFO any number

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of ways you saw it visually with his own

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eyes through binoculars

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he saw radar returns of various UFOs and

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he saw a videotape of the the UFO

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incident famously referred to as the

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tic-tac video I believe that Gary is

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telling the truth and that he believes

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exactly what he is saying and his you

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know not not lying and I don't believe

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that is some kind of physics defying

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advanced technology that he saw and so

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that's really the baseline context of

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this interview and that I'm very

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skeptical about Gary's interpretation of

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what he saw even though I believe that

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he thinks he saw what he thinks a seesaw

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so this interview is about me trying to

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understand what Gary might have seen

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trying to figure out if it does have

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some kind of mundane explanation if it

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doesn't have some kind of mundane

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explanation then how do we verify that

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how can we tell that it is actually

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something very unusual warnings the

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discussion gets a little bit technical

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at times and perhaps might be a little

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bit boring to people who aren't really

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that interested in UFOs or things like

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radars and there's also a little bit of

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background noise which can be a little

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bit distracting but if it's a topic that

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you're interested in or if you're just

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interested in a different type of

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conspiracy theory the theory that the

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government is covering up alien

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encounters then you might find it

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interesting okay let's get on with the

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show

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welcome to tales from the rabbit hole my

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guest today is gary voice gary is one of

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the navy eyewitnesses to the famous

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tic-tac UFO incident of 2004

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he's also vice president of UAP

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expeditions which is a non-profit set to

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provide testing services for technology

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to detect UFOs also called you ApS and

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so we're going to talk about the Tic Tac

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incident and we're gonna talk about what

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what Gary's doing now so Gary welcome to

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tales from the rabbit hole hey thanks

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for having me thank you very much for

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doing this I know you've been on a few

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podcasts and whatnot recently so thanks

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for doing my little little podcast here

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almost corner of the Internet

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I usually don't turn down too many of

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them cuz it's like it's not really into

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it for the money or anything like that

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just you know for me I want to get as

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many people thinking about it as penny

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people you know angles you never know

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where you're gonna find your next clue

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so you know the more the merrier for me

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so I know you've gone over a bunch of

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times before but probably for people who

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are listening to my podcast who i

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familiar with all the details let's just

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kind of set the scene as to what this

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tic tac yeah it takes like a UFO

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incident actually was it's back in

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November 2004 it's alright yeah that's

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correct

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I'll go over like a brief synopsis okay

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it's plenty of places they can go into

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detail Nvidia didn't any Gritty of it

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but basically in 2004 the USS Princeton

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and the Nimitz battle group we're

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tracking unknown aircraft for over seven

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days and then at the end of that seven

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days we did an f-18 interrogation and

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we've got a lot of pilots and we've got

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quite a few people they got to get up

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close and personal with these objects

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and now we're just trying to figure out

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what the hell they were yeah back then

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what was the first that you personally

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heard of what was going on um so that me

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the first thing that I heard was I went

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up to smoke and you know one of the guys

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that works on that radar said that uh

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you know they had an unknown track and

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we'd have to probably recalibrated

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systems down later and basically we just

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had to make sure that there were no

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malfunctions or anything like that

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because we've got because it's our

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system we you know tell the captain we

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got an unknown aircraft we best damn

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well be sure that it's the real deal

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because that's you know it's kind of

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something you don't really just want to

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say oh yeah by the way we've got unknown

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graphs retracting you know it's it's

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it's it's like okay well what are they

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well that's their unknown okay so it's

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like then it didn't fit any real

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profiles other than like at first you

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know at first glance they're going real

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slow they're not really doing anything

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crazy so we're just kind of like yeah

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maybe you know we got some system

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flutter or something and you know and

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you know no matter what resolution we

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went through no matter what we did while

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it was up and running you know we still

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always had these tracks and so we got

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permission from the captain to go ahead

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and take these systems down for a small

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duration recalibrate the system bring it

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back up and sure enough they're still

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there you know and so without a hundred

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or sent out we we have a solid radar

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track of these unknown objects and

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they're only doing like a hundred knots

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so we're just like scratching our heads

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like what the heck are these it was kind

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of like a ongoing joke for a little bit

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because it was just like they weren't

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doing anything they weren't doing any

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aggressive posturing they were just

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honored knots same direction

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you know we tracked them they disappear

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we tracked them again they disappear and

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then you know this kind of went on and

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off for days until we got the word that

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there was going to be an interrogation

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now the first day I heard that it was

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going to be an interrogation nothing

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that I was like alright yeah they're

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doing an interrogation because they were

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gonna do swaiiow they were gonna be

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doing exercises out there so they got

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they're gonna actually test these people

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to go see what the hell these are

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alright so for a few days you basically

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should observing them on the radar and

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they were these tracks that's were going

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south I believe about a hundred knots

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which is 100 million miles an hour

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for all intensive purposes they just

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weren't really doing anything at first

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or so of them I'd always try to get a

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bearing of at least one of the targets

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and whatever which one's the closest and

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I would try to go and see it and

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sometimes I could see it sometimes I

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couldn't but it would be like when

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you're at the beach and you see you know

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you know there's a ship on the horizon

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you don't know what kind of ship it is

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you know it could be a sailboat it could

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be a tanker it could be you know

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anything but you know there's a ship

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there could you see how we could get any

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sense of how big it was from that

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distance that that did on us no honestly

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I was just excited to be able actually

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actually see something at the same

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bearing and the same place that it's

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supposed to be yeah I mean you know just

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like you were saying before if if this

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wasn't a real object and you know I'd go

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up there and it just would never be

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anything there or there would be

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something that didn't resemble what we

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were tracking in any way shape or form

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but that we ended up having it wear

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whatever the bearing is I was looking at

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it may have been too far when I couldn't

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see it and during the day it was a lot

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harder to see them then at night they

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didn't be like the because it's daylight

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you couldn't see kind of that

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phosphorescent glow that they had but at

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night you could definitely see so at

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night no matter what as long as we were

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close enough I could see them you

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couldn't make out detail you just know

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it was there you see you could see where

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it is to be the antiques X bearing that

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we would be checking on the radar I'd be

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going back and forth just to make sure

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I'm still looking at the right one for

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me was a game you know I can I can I see

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it can I repeat it and I was trying to

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use a scientific method you know I was

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trying to make sure that everything I

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did could be repeatable and if it's not

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why you know if it's at the same bearing

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same distance why can't I still see it

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during the day why can't I see it at

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night you know if I can see it at night

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why can't I see it during the day well

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it turns out it ends up being like

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because it's shadowed from light of the

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Sun during the day it's a it's dark you

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know there'll be it's like a little

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speck on the horizon at night because it

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actually has an internal growth

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you can see it relatively easier and you

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can see it for a further distance

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interesting so how far away would it be

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like when you were seeing it at night as

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a light roughly no more than 80 miles

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which is quite a good distance but you

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know using those big eyes you can you

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could really you know seep quite a ways

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away could you see it at all with the

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naked eye like when it was a speck of

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light from in the distance if you had

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real good vision you might be able to

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see just a speck but you wouldn't even

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you know you couldn't tell it from

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difference from anything background

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unless you were looking through the big

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eyes I wish we had gotten a little

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closer and I got a better look at him

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that would have been more much more

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interesting David talked about but you

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know it was just nice that I could

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actually apply something to it you know

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say all right so I know for a fact that

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the relative bearing and altitude is

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this direction and it should be right

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here

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then I take my sextant and I'd look and

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I'd say alright is it right here

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okay it's there something there it's

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okay so we have an object there so I

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mean for me it didn't really take rocket

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science to realize that these were real

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objects and then what blew my mind was

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when I heard commander flavors first

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interview about what they looked like

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yeah and then in my mind say now I saw

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the video of the interrogation and then

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him talking about it and it was like

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yeah it's spot-on guy the only things

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that were exaggerated in this story was

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some of the the Navy stuff not not the

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actual intercept and stuff like that

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which is pretty impressive cuz I thought

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for sure he would exaggerate more but he

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really didn't exaggerate a whole lot on

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the actual interrogation part mom it

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wasn't until like the the meetings and

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the people he knows stuff like that

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I can't validate any of that stuff so

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and I'm not important enough to know any

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of those people so yeah so flavor is the

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pilot who first went out to try to

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intercept the interrogation I guess it's

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like where you go out and you see what

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yeah you he was he was the pilot tasked

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to intercept so white sir at the start

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you've got these these tracks on the

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radar and then you you know you think

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that they're there clutter then you

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recalibrate things and then you realize

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that there are they're real plane so you

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think that they're real planes are real

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craft or some store sort why isn't that

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a big deal immediately are these crafts

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like outside the area you also have to

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remember that a lot of that area is

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still civilian airspace unless we're

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running a flight ops and we're keeping

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people out of a specific area you could

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have people drift in say say somebody

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was hot air ballooning and they just

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drifted off the coast and it would be a

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pretty big deal if we decided to shoot

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down the hot air balloon yeah granted

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they're not gonna do 100 knots that's a

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little fast for hot air balloon but you

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know and with a good tailwind I mean

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they they could possibly get up over a

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hundred knots I think the wind what

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helped it was like 28,000 feet of it

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yeah initially they kind of stuck around

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that altitude for this part and it

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wasn't until the interrogation that they

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start kind of going a little nuts so you

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see these these tracks on the radar now

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Kevin day who's the the radar operator

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essentially all right a he he says that

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he sees them dropping out of the sky

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from high altitude to low altitude very

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very rapidly is that something yeah it

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was observed early on or was that

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something in no honestly until the

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interrogation they generally just were

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benign I mean literally I mean that's

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probably why everything was went the way

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it did but even though you know I still

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you know at the time we were still kind

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of wondering why isn't the chain of

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command you know a little bit more

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worried about this especially since you

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know we realized that they're not

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balloons you know there any balsa wood

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glider it's just sitting up there you

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know glide belong you know so I mean it

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was just like everybody was just waiting

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because I mean you know if they stayed

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there long enough eventually they're

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gonna send something but they I think

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might have been two factors in play the

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fact that they weren't

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there was no hostile intentions meaning

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they didn't do any like active radar

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jamming on us I'm not I haven't really

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heard whether it was any of the Jets

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actually got jammed or not I think

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flavor said he was being jammed but I'd

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have to go back and look I sure I've

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seen so many different things about what

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favours said what he hasn't said but as

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for like my aspect I know that our radar

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could see them clear as day regardless

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of what they were doing and they weren't

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doing any hostile but fostering they

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weren't heading directly towards our

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ships you know generally when somebody

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tries to target you they use a

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concentrated burst of RF to locate your

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you know to paint you and that's how

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they would you know that's what they

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call painting the target you know so

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there was no active tracking on us so

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that you know we would so there was no

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hostile intentions so with that close to

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civilian airspace you know we don't want

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to be the guys that shot down another

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bus so yeah yeah yeah it's just it's

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just so interesting though that I think

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that the thing a lot of people don't

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really understand about the case is this

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kind of almost like a lack of concern

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from the the higher-ups it would really

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would seem like that's does it seem like

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they know something that you don't know

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either they know something that we don't

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know or you remember that something like

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this could possibly be a career ender

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for an officer you know grunt like me we

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don't care I mean what are we gonna do

367
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take a stripe no but with with a captain

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he's looking I know that particular

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captain was very a go-getter definitely

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trying to make his next rank it could

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you know it could Mar your record and

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you'll be the oh you're the guy that

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tracked aliens you know they'll just

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ridicule you you know it doesn't matter

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whether they're just unknown aircrafts

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you know it doesn't matter that even if

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the captain took it serious like after I

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guarantee after the interrogations they

379
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were taking this serious because these

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ships out flew us you know they they

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could just fly around us and do whatever

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they

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any speed direction velocity you know

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the Jets just couldn't cope with that

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kind of an agile maneuvering but in

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Ischl II though you just had these

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targets that were like what like 70

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miles away or something and they were

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just they they varied mileage because

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you gotta remember we can we can see 256

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nautical miles around each ship yeah so

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that's that's that's the horizon so you

393
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know as they come within that type of

394
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range spy radars very powerful so within

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that with that within that zone of

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influence we can see everything let's

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talk a little bit about the radar cuz

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the case I think people don't really

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understand you know what type of radar

400
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we're talking about here the spy-1 radar

401
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it's not like the little rotating thing

402
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so when people think of radars they

403
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think of the parabolic dish that rotates

404
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and you know sends out a pulse and then

405
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it rotates and the pixel in the pulse

406
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back up and you know so that that's

407
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actually a very slow radar versus what

408
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ours is so like if you look up a early

409
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Burke destroyer or an eighth or a

410
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cruiser you'll see these hexagonal

411
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panels on four sides of the ship now

412
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those panels contain feed horns hundreds

413
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of feet of horns each one of these feed

414
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horns can be directed independent

415
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technically they can all hold a track

416
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individually but they're used in in

417
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sequence to provide a 360 degree sweep

418
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of real-time radar around the entire

419
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ship it's it's it's a crazy tech piece

420
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of tech that you know honestly it's it

421
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impressed me from day one how this thing

422
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worked and I remember I when I first got

423
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to see up underneath the because that

424
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that that thing is just a cover that you

425
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see and then here's their stuff

426
00:17:12,270 --> 00:17:09,940
underneath it and you know it's it's

427
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it's it's crazy how it looks because

428
00:17:17,699 --> 00:17:14,230
it's just this like electronic field and

429
00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:17,709
you can kind of see how it's modular on

430
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the inside each one of those feed corns

431
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can be replaced and even if one got

432
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damaged or jammed all the rest would

433
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still work

434
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fine which is you know poses a lot of

435
00:17:33,940 --> 00:17:31,520
the problem with spoofing this type of

436
00:17:37,710 --> 00:17:33,950
radar because you basically would have

437
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to spoof every individual feedhorn which

438
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it would be next to impossible to do

439
00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:43,970
that even even with an advanced

440
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technology you know four of those ours

441
00:17:52,210 --> 00:17:49,670
it would be pretty amazing three of a

442
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:52,220
spoof that kind of radar and it's not

443
00:17:55,470 --> 00:17:54,290
not a matter of like physics or anything

444
00:17:57,850 --> 00:17:55,480
like that it's just a matter of numbers

445
00:17:59,800 --> 00:17:57,860
well I mean yeah you're gonna be able to

446
00:18:00,850 --> 00:17:59,810
spoof maybe one or two feet horns but

447
00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:00,860
you're not gonna be able to spoof the

448
00:18:04,690 --> 00:18:02,750
whole thing and then because of the way

449
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:04,700
the system works say two feet horns are

450
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:06,890
getting some anomalous reading it'll

451
00:18:11,050 --> 00:18:09,170
ignore it and it won't show it and then

452
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basically our ort system would say hey

453
00:18:15,910 --> 00:18:12,740
no that's that's not that's not right

454
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and then it would just ignore it and I

455
00:18:20,530 --> 00:18:18,260
guess the sort of this this the spy

456
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radar has essentially like a big

457
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computer that takes these signals and

458
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then converts them into pictures it's

459
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not like the the old ones where it was

460
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like a direct and you're talking to the

461
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guy that used to run that computer yeah

462
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yeah yeah I heard you with it the only

463
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IT guy on the the only computer tech on

464
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the on the ship yeah I was the only

465
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computer tech on the ship the ship went

466
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to baseline six one intern docking

467
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period so between a couple of guys kind

468
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of getting let go from the service under

469
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not-so-great circumstances before our

470
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last deployment

471
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land landed me one of the only computer

472
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technicians on board because they went

473
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from old you know back wiring honestly

474
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they went from like 60s technology took

475
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off-the-shelf technology and they

476
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basically hybridized our ship our ship

477
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was like a bastard hybrid of old tech

478
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and new tech and so we had all these

479
00:19:18,610 --> 00:19:17,000
cots off-the-shelf systems half the

480
00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:18,620
system was run with that stuff and the

481
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:19,990
other half was run with the old

482
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proprietary systems

483
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sounds like IT fund getting all that

484
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stuff working together what was fun as

485
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making sure every fiber splice was was

486
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good well the guy the guy in the

487
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:37,880
shipyard was doing the the nodes you

488
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,890
know they got these big Bell house

489
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with these some fiber notes in them and

490
00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:43,460
there's you know thousands of

491
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,470
connections inside these things and I

492
00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:47,840
mean the first time we we lit him up

493
00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:50,630
with a laser it looked like a disco so I

494
00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:52,100
don't know if that guy was drunk

495
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:55,070
what did he hit whatever yeah I think

496
00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:56,450
people don't really realize this how

497
00:20:00,250 --> 00:19:57,890
much computer tech there is on ships in

498
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,260
nowadays and you know just don't they

499
00:20:04,450 --> 00:20:02,000
know that best at the military it's like

500
00:20:05,890 --> 00:20:04,460
very getting very very heavy in terms

501
00:20:08,650 --> 00:20:05,900
your thought that was awesome you should

502
00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:08,660
see the specs on the DD 21 that thing is

503
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:11,870
a technological nightmare when it comes

504
00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:14,090
to being a computer technician on board

505
00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:16,150
I can imagine and every night you have

506
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much stricter standards as an industry

507
00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:21,799
and in some ways because you know

508
00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:23,900
there's lots of things that are people's

509
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,320
lives depend up on it well people in the

510
00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:29,120
ship's lives depend on all those systems

511
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:32,510
yeah I mean us fire control men I mean

512
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:34,690
the entire ships built around us

513
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:37,370
everything about that ship is for

514
00:20:44,289 --> 00:20:40,640
missile defense for fighting it is a

515
00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:44,299
fighting ship so everything is is every

516
00:20:50,980 --> 00:20:48,110
every system on that ship it was built

517
00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:50,990
around the fire control systems around

518
00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:53,510
the aegis weapon system you know so

519
00:20:58,419 --> 00:20:56,600
everything ties in right and fire

520
00:21:00,250 --> 00:20:58,429
control you know it sounds like he

521
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:00,260
talking about like putting out fires but

522
00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:02,210
fire control is about controlling the

523
00:21:05,770 --> 00:21:04,820
firing of things we put it pretty simple

524
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:05,780
because a lot of people make that

525
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:07,490
mistake I say okay well I was a fire

526
00:21:12,850 --> 00:21:09,290
control I didn't put fires out I made

527
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:12,860
there yes okay so part of the whole 10

528
00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:15,530
computer technology is the what they

529
00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:18,950
call the CEC which is cooperative

530
00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:21,830
engagement capability yep cooperative

531
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:23,870
engagement capability so the so now I

532
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:25,490
can talk about primary duties on the

533
00:21:29,980 --> 00:21:27,470
system I can't talk about system

534
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,990
specifics or how the recording works or

535
00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:31,520
you know anything like that I can tell

536
00:21:38,650 --> 00:21:34,220
you that the recording is tied into the

537
00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:38,660
actual hard disk so that's the reason

538
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:40,340
why they had to actually wipe that

539
00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:44,090
entire hard disk to get rid of the data

540
00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:46,760
off of that because the operating system

541
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:51,470
port and its space for its it where it

542
00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:53,690
stored all of this information where

543
00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:55,220
was on the same disk and it was not

544
00:22:00,279 --> 00:21:58,100
partitions so it was you know if it had

545
00:22:02,769 --> 00:22:00,289
been partitioned he you know we could

546
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:02,779
have probably saved that data and or

547
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:04,370
just deleted the data they wanted to

548
00:22:10,110 --> 00:22:07,250
kept the operating system on but that's

549
00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:10,120
the only reason why that that was wiped

550
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:12,470
yeah so you're kind of jumping ahead a

551
00:22:15,399 --> 00:22:13,970
little bit this is cuz I I'm getting

552
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:15,409
that too many too many at Twitter uh

553
00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:18,049
it's conversations you guys are killing

554
00:22:22,570 --> 00:22:19,700
me with that stuff oh my god I'm so I

555
00:22:25,499 --> 00:22:22,580
attract little things there's a lot of

556
00:22:28,330 --> 00:22:25,509
people chiming in on the odd Twitter I

557
00:22:30,430 --> 00:22:28,340
tried to rein it in a little bit but

558
00:22:33,850 --> 00:22:30,440
it's you know you can only rein it in so

559
00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:33,860
far people get very very passionate

560
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:38,360
about this topic the the UFO topic like

561
00:22:42,909 --> 00:22:40,730
that I read uh ironically there's a

562
00:22:45,389 --> 00:22:42,919
fantasy novel called the Sword of Truth

563
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,399
series that has this phrasing it says

564
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:47,600
everybody will believe anything as long

565
00:22:52,629 --> 00:22:49,250
as they either fear it'll be true or

566
00:22:55,629 --> 00:22:52,639
they want it to be true and I I feel

567
00:22:59,259 --> 00:22:55,639
that that actually holds a lot of truth

568
00:23:01,119 --> 00:22:59,269
in this field because you've got people

569
00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:01,129
like yourself they're you know very

570
00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:03,350
skeptical of these things yeah people

571
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:05,000
like you know other people that are just

572
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:06,529
absolutely true believers I could tell

573
00:23:10,509 --> 00:23:08,690
them that you know I found a leprechaun

574
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,519
and you know sorry I can get any film

575
00:23:13,629 --> 00:23:11,840
but you know they'll sit there and just

576
00:23:17,019 --> 00:23:13,639
listen to the story all day long when I

577
00:23:18,610 --> 00:23:17,029
never actually did any of that and and

578
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:18,620
then you know you admit okay well I

579
00:23:24,249 --> 00:23:20,330
didn't sit by the leprechaun to like oh

580
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:24,259
you got me you know yeah then again yeah

581
00:23:28,330 --> 00:23:26,450
yeah both sides of that house so I try

582
00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:28,340
to I fall somewhere in between I'm a

583
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:31,960
absolute skeptical believer meaning that

584
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:35,690
if I hadn't seen these things I wouldn't

585
00:23:42,090 --> 00:23:38,570
believe that they existed let's talk

586
00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:42,100
about the the tape the year so when

587
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:44,389
kinda forever went out and he did an

588
00:23:47,649 --> 00:23:46,129
interrogation and he saw things and he

589
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:47,659
came back and then another plane went

590
00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:50,570
out with Chad Underwood I think it's the

591
00:23:57,129 --> 00:23:53,480
name of the pilot and he he took video

592
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:57,139
and this is the famous video that he has

593
00:24:01,419 --> 00:23:59,090
been on the news and everything and it

594
00:24:05,470 --> 00:24:01,429
shows a it's pretty grainy and low

595
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:05,480
resolution and it shows a dark dot in

596
00:24:09,769 --> 00:24:07,080
the distance essentially

597
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,779
and it kind of moves around as the

598
00:24:12,889 --> 00:24:11,820
camera moves around and there's some

599
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:12,899
dispute as to whether he's actually

600
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:14,760
moving or whether it's the camera moving

601
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:18,659
I actually think it's more the plane

602
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,100
jerking around and moving at first yeah

603
00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:25,860
but that will nothing hauls ass towards

604
00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:28,230
the end of the video that was an actual

605
00:24:32,389 --> 00:24:30,059
thing because actually it hauls ass out

606
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:32,399
of the frame and then it comes back into

607
00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:36,390
the frame and when you saw well

608
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:38,580
well we'll just say that due to certain

609
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,679
aspects of the film itself and its

610
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,720
originality you could tell that the

611
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,580
plane was staying on the same bearing

612
00:24:49,639 --> 00:24:47,039
alright because you had to remember the

613
00:24:51,769 --> 00:24:49,649
original film has all the information

614
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:51,779
along the edges of its bearing its

615
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:54,510
admits its angle the way that the plane

616
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:57,059
planes flying so mm-hmm that's how they

617
00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:00,179
can tell whether or not you know it's

618
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:01,830
the object moving out of the frame or

619
00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:03,450
the frame moving out of the event away

620
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:06,630
from the object but yeah I've spent a

621
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:08,010
lot of time looking at that you know

622
00:25:11,659 --> 00:25:10,169
obviously I haven't seen the the

623
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:11,669
original just seeing you know what's on

624
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:14,460
the internet and I tend to think that

625
00:25:18,379 --> 00:25:16,380
it's the camera moving not the plane

626
00:25:21,379 --> 00:25:18,389
moving or the object moving but the

627
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:21,389
camera itself they can have the ability

628
00:25:24,860 --> 00:25:22,260
to move also

629
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:24,870
yeah but the camera like it's also it's

630
00:25:29,629 --> 00:25:26,970
it switches between like the infrared

631
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:29,639
and the TV mode and it also breezes

632
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:31,980
between different zoom lenses as well so

633
00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:35,100
it would have to kind of rotate now with

634
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:36,539
the flurry when you look at it it's got

635
00:25:40,399 --> 00:25:38,970
all these different lenses on it and a

636
00:25:42,259 --> 00:25:40,409
lot of times when you're seeing that

637
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:42,269
movement it's just the flared part

638
00:25:49,009 --> 00:25:43,980
itself actually just adjusting to the

639
00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:49,019
next lens and then of course if he's

640
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:50,340
slipping through those different modes

641
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:52,049
at that fast you will see like a

642
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:55,289
distortion between each time he moves it

643
00:25:59,480 --> 00:25:57,690
to a different mode because the actual

644
00:26:03,350 --> 00:25:59,490
physical pod has to move to a different

645
00:26:06,889 --> 00:26:03,360
lens hey except for when I think it's

646
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:06,899
thermal to optical I think thank you

647
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:08,730
that's all through the same the same

648
00:26:14,539 --> 00:26:11,220
camera but I'd have to edit to go back

649
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:14,549
and look at it but it's a whenever you

650
00:26:19,639 --> 00:26:16,470
look at these flare pods around pods

651
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,649
yeah and on the f-18 they almost kind of

652
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:20,640
look like a little

653
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,010
we'll missile with like a little camera

654
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:25,559
thing at the end of it and you know it

655
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,860
can move in multiple directions looking

656
00:26:34,399 --> 00:26:31,200
at the actual video that you guys got to

657
00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:34,409
see it's looks like it was compressed

658
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:37,350
horribly and that it was like basically

659
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:39,750
made for like hey check this out like

660
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:42,299
through an email back that because it

661
00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:44,220
would have been small enough to fit in

662
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,590
an email so it kind of really just looks

663
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:48,360
like somebody just compressed it to send

664
00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:51,750
to a regular like Gmail or yahoo account

665
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:54,389
so you watched the the original video

666
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:56,130
did you watch it like as it happened was

667
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,100
like a live feed I can't say yes because

668
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:01,440
I was only under the impression that it

669
00:27:05,539 --> 00:27:03,960
was a live feed there's some question

670
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:05,549
whether we had the capabilities to do a

671
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:07,710
live feed at the time

672
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,330
I haven't been able to validated that it

673
00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:12,120
was live so I can stand that it was with

674
00:27:17,299 --> 00:27:14,630
sin they had to have been with analysis

675
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:17,309
because I mean at a certain point it was

676
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:19,769
no longer on the secret driving because

677
00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:21,539
I remember we watched it all the way

678
00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:24,750
through to the end and then the camera

679
00:27:30,980 --> 00:27:28,590
flips off as the Jets landing and then

680
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,990
it disappears for probably about maybe a

681
00:27:36,379 --> 00:27:32,820
minute and then you're able to actually

682
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:36,389
go back from the beginning and play it

683
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:40,620
again hmm but it wasn't until it was

684
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:43,110
yeah because he was loading onto the

685
00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:47,070
server as as we were watching so I I was

686
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:48,539
just under the impression because of

687
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,559
what people were saying at the time

688
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:51,120
because somebody had grabbed me and said

689
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,710
hey they're doing the intercept let's go

690
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,679
watch it watch it you know he goes well

691
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:57,120
it's on the secret this it's on the

692
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:58,860
secret land so let's go take a look at

693
00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:01,320
so they they you know so you were

694
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:03,630
actually watching it later that's for I

695
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,460
don't know I'd be a dead honest with you

696
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,919
if I had been smart at the time and

697
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:09,840
wrote down times and stuff like that I

698
00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:11,100
could have definitely correlated that

699
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:14,070
better but you know Murrow early 20s 15

700
00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:17,580
years ago I don't remember the timeframe

701
00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:19,830
is you know I know now exactly when they

702
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:22,230
did the intercepts but I couldn't tell

703
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:23,970
you when I actually watched it that's

704
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:26,340
why I won't validate whether I can

705
00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:29,070
whether I saw it live or not I was just

706
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,659
under the impression that it was yeah

707
00:28:35,249 --> 00:28:32,559
then I could say

708
00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:35,259
that would be kind of exciting so could

709
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:37,240
you like like characterize like what's

710
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,850
the the big differences between what you

711
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:41,679
saw and and what's there now like

712
00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:43,899
obviously it was like higher resolution

713
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:46,299
but what could you see about the objects

714
00:28:48,989 --> 00:28:48,220
that you can't see in the video that's

715
00:28:51,539 --> 00:28:48,999
out there now

716
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:51,549
I won't at one point when he's flipping

717
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:53,710
through the cameras he kind of kind of

718
00:28:59,039 --> 00:28:56,710
zooms in on the object and you can see

719
00:29:01,619 --> 00:28:59,049
it's definite outline shape the tic-tac

720
00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:01,629
shape you can see the it's in the

721
00:29:06,629 --> 00:29:02,919
irregular camera mode so you're not

722
00:29:08,879 --> 00:29:06,639
seeing the flare light up we are

723
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:08,889
actually seeing it's actual you know

724
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:10,809
it's got like a phosphorescence to it

725
00:29:16,139 --> 00:29:14,590
but like that's kind of a wrong word for

726
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,149
it because like all right so if you

727
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:18,159
think like a regular light bulb that has

728
00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:20,950
a phosphorous and swings eya a frosted

729
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:24,039
cover right it generally kind of starts

730
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:25,690
really really bright on the center and

731
00:29:29,879 --> 00:29:27,100
then gets a little lighter as it goes

732
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:29,889
out yeah where this would be one uniform

733
00:29:35,629 --> 00:29:32,980
color throughout all of the area that

734
00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:35,639
you're seeing it didn't have like a

735
00:29:41,789 --> 00:29:38,440
bright center it was just all this all

736
00:29:45,139 --> 00:29:41,799
the same brightness in the video it's

737
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,149
it's dark now once it goes to the FLIR

738
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:47,919
it's almost it's almost like a negative

739
00:29:53,489 --> 00:29:51,369
look to it and it goes dark and so

740
00:29:55,049 --> 00:29:53,499
that's mmm yeah that happens with a lot

741
00:29:57,869 --> 00:29:55,059
of jets and stuff whether you look at a

742
00:29:59,789 --> 00:29:57,879
lot of FLIR photography now the images

743
00:30:02,580 --> 00:29:59,799
go dark and then actually clear but when

744
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:02,590
you go to actual you can did they light

745
00:30:09,509 --> 00:30:07,210
enough so the like in the in the video

746
00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:09,519
that's on the internet right now you you

747
00:30:14,009 --> 00:30:11,740
see it shows the two modes that it says

748
00:30:16,259 --> 00:30:14,019
IR for the infrared which is the the

749
00:30:19,529 --> 00:30:16,269
Fleur forward-looking infrared and it

750
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:19,539
has T V which is the the visible light

751
00:30:25,769 --> 00:30:23,110
but yeah the in the TV mode it's still

752
00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:25,779
dark as well I think it's due to the

753
00:30:31,109 --> 00:30:29,169
poor resolution because when we saw it

754
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:31,119
even though the craft itself was dark

755
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:33,190
you could tell it was still emanating a

756
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:35,710
light and you could still you could see

757
00:30:39,779 --> 00:30:38,200
the actual outline of it did you see

758
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:39,789
that there was some type of appendages

759
00:30:44,129 --> 00:30:42,610
at the bottom just I couldn't I couldn't

760
00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:44,139
tell you like exactly what the

761
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,820
appendages looked like

762
00:30:50,369 --> 00:30:46,720
so you could tell that there is

763
00:30:52,409 --> 00:30:50,379
something protruding from everything but

764
00:30:55,049 --> 00:30:52,419
other than those everything else looks

765
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:55,059
pretty smooth yeah that's really

766
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:56,409
interesting that like like you're saying

767
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:00,399
that it was light in that video but in

768
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:03,450
the the video we have now it looks dark

769
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:06,840
it's kind of like I figured never be

770
00:31:11,999 --> 00:31:09,580
alive you were back in this VHS days

771
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:12,009
recorded something and then restored it

772
00:31:16,289 --> 00:31:14,350
and rerecord it and then word it's too

773
00:31:17,849 --> 00:31:16,299
many times all right I'm gonna copy too

774
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:17,859
many times huh

775
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,200
I got a feeling that this tape is

776
00:31:26,129 --> 00:31:22,679
there's a version that we got that had a

777
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:26,139
been recopy quite a few times before it

778
00:31:33,419 --> 00:31:30,970
was ever sent digital hmm-hmm have you

779
00:31:40,259 --> 00:31:33,429
ever tried to draw a picture of what

780
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:40,269
you've seen um I haven't but I know a

781
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:43,690
lot of people have for me for me it was

782
00:31:50,999 --> 00:31:47,919
a the what I saw was a big irrelevant to

783
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,009
what it could do and so I've always just

784
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:53,679
been trying to figure out exactly how it

785
00:31:58,019 --> 00:31:55,720
worked so it really was never really

786
00:31:59,700 --> 00:31:58,029
important for me to draw it because the

787
00:32:02,009 --> 00:31:59,710
the depictions that I've seen of it

788
00:32:05,609 --> 00:32:02,019
already are are close enough to being

789
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:05,619
accurate to what I saw now if you take

790
00:32:12,779 --> 00:32:08,049
even the garbage film that they released

791
00:32:15,869 --> 00:32:12,789
and you speed it up and you loop it you

792
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:15,879
can start seeing the way the things the

793
00:32:18,629 --> 00:32:17,320
way the thing actually moves there's

794
00:32:21,869 --> 00:32:18,639
there was somebody that told me that

795
00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:21,879
they actually did it and swears to God

796
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:23,830
that it actually changed shape a little

797
00:32:29,339 --> 00:32:27,190
bit and hey very well could be but I

798
00:32:31,859 --> 00:32:29,349
would like to get a better copy of it

799
00:32:34,349 --> 00:32:31,869
and do that but with such a small amount

800
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:34,359
of film I don't know how accurate that

801
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:36,940
would be so you're saying something that

802
00:32:42,989 --> 00:32:40,720
maybe you when you saw a giant shape or

803
00:32:45,149 --> 00:32:42,999
in in the video and talk about now

804
00:32:47,339 --> 00:32:45,159
somebody's reported to me that that's

805
00:32:49,499 --> 00:32:47,349
what he told me that he did is he took

806
00:32:52,769 --> 00:32:49,509
it from the very moment that it started

807
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:52,779
to accelerate in the film itself to the

808
00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:55,210
very last moment you see in last frame

809
00:33:00,510 --> 00:32:57,910
and he broke it down to

810
00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:00,520
whatever's smaller than the frames I

811
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,020
don't know anything about the

812
00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:04,000
filmography or anything like that so but

813
00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:05,800
he said he could break it down to like

814
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:08,260
even subframes like even smaller and

815
00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:10,570
then there's a little bit and then he

816
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:13,480
can actually and then speed it up the

817
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:17,200
film up to see you know more

818
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:19,330
scientifically movement of the object so

819
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:21,460
if you have that kind of skill set you

820
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:23,590
could probably try that and get a better

821
00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:25,870
idea of like what it looked like I do

822
00:33:30,150 --> 00:33:27,640
but I think a lot of times when people

823
00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:30,160
do things like that they they're kind of

824
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,740
adding things to the film that aren't

825
00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:34,980
actually there unintentionally because

826
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:37,480
there really isn't very much information

827
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:39,820
I mean you've seen that now yeah that's

828
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,140
you know and that's a lot of the problem

829
00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:42,640
that's why yeah that's why it's like for

830
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:45,160
me I'm surprised that this is taking off

831
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:46,840
because it's such a I mean it is an

832
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:49,810
outstanding story it is but it's it's I

833
00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:51,610
mean the story itself suffered pretty

834
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:54,100
benign you know okay I saw these objects

835
00:33:58,380 --> 00:33:55,930
they did some crazy things they were

836
00:34:01,860 --> 00:33:58,390
solid I know that they were solid

837
00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:01,870
we had eyes on them we've seen the shape

838
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:04,300
we have a video you know I got to see a

839
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:06,490
much better video but I don't expect

840
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:08,830
anybody just believe me that I that we

841
00:34:13,110 --> 00:34:10,450
were able to see that the only thing I

842
00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:13,120
have is collaboration and generally I'd

843
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,460
say 80% of all of our stories are moment

844
00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:18,159
dead-on exact which generally only

845
00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:20,020
happens if the event actually does

846
00:34:25,649 --> 00:34:21,639
happen you know and I only believe about

847
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:25,659
20% of what everybody says anyways yeah

848
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:27,129
I certainly like you got a lot of people

849
00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:28,780
telling the same story about the radar

850
00:34:35,879 --> 00:34:32,980
and yeah having these these these radar

851
00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:35,889
returns and having them thinking that

852
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:37,870
they are craft but you've only got like

853
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:42,310
the two people you got fray VAR freefall

854
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:44,950
and the female pilot is anonymous but

855
00:34:48,899 --> 00:34:46,020
she appeared in one of the TV shows

856
00:34:50,669 --> 00:34:48,909
giving the actual accounts of of the

857
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:50,679
movement other other people who actually

858
00:34:57,540 --> 00:34:55,020
saw the craft itself besides those two

859
00:34:59,100 --> 00:34:57,550
for me from what I understand that

860
00:35:01,290 --> 00:34:59,110
they're the people that were up in the

861
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,300
heart guy at the time actually were able

862
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:03,280
to see this thing right out of their

863
00:35:07,530 --> 00:35:04,930
port window that they think I had gotten

864
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:07,540
close enough that they could see in

865
00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:10,060
every detail of the you know of the ship

866
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:11,300
even close they they

867
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:14,510
that probably the closest eyewitnesses

868
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:16,940
in the entire event but none of them

869
00:35:21,610 --> 00:35:20,030
come forward to heaven none of them said

870
00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:21,620
that's the weird thing about this

871
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:23,600
they're the only ones that had to sign a

872
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,210
nondisclosure everybody aboard that

873
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:28,400
plane had to sign a nondisclosure now

874
00:35:32,350 --> 00:35:30,410
I've only counted this for two things

875
00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:32,360
either they saw something we all didn't

876
00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:34,150
and aren't allowed to talk about it like

877
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:38,120
a ship identification or an ability or

878
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:39,440
you know because they have a lot of

879
00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:42,260
passive devices on that on that on the

880
00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:44,270
earth that way they can listen to

881
00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:46,280
different different frequencies of RF

882
00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:48,920
different you know IR frequencies

883
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:51,800
different you know they've got all these

884
00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:53,960
passive systems just constantly

885
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,300
collecting but tons of data about the

886
00:36:01,690 --> 00:35:58,880
battlefield I mean it's a there's reason

887
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:01,700
we call it our eyes in the sky oh yeah

888
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:04,310
to thee boy yeah the Hawkeye just for

889
00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:05,960
people who don't know is like one of

890
00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:07,880
their these radar planes that had a big

891
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:11,360
radar radio I'm on the top of the plane

892
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:13,700
and it gives a pretty good radar

893
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:15,220
coverage over a wide area

894
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:21,340
yeah so yeah I'm a bit of a skeptic I

895
00:36:28,090 --> 00:36:25,310
run like debunking website you a skeptic

896
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:28,100
no way wait wait wait a minute I'm on a

897
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,290
skeptic show I guess your agents uh put

898
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:36,320
the wrong throw show yeah and I I don't

899
00:36:43,450 --> 00:36:39,740
care whose show I go on man I I saw what

900
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:43,460
I saw it's not gonna change it's no I I

901
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:45,530
don't doubt you know what you what you

902
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:47,870
saying it ain't gonna dog in a race

903
00:36:51,490 --> 00:36:49,610
whether you believe me or not so it's

904
00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:51,500
it's you know if I did believe my I do

905
00:36:55,870 --> 00:36:53,780
believe you yeah I guess like my skeptic

906
00:36:59,380 --> 00:36:55,880
point of view is yeah people saw what

907
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,390
they saw that it was not what they ended

908
00:37:04,540 --> 00:37:02,720
up thinking it was yeah and that I've

909
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,550
got so many different theories from the

910
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:06,800
most in wild by nine theories but most

911
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:10,310
of my theories are based in at least a

912
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:12,650
grain a scientific truth like hey like

913
00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:16,340
it could happen if XY and z are true

914
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,070
then this could definitely happen yeah

915
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:21,680
this hypothesis under quantum mechanics

916
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:24,550
is true then this could happen

917
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:27,640
you know so I basically started with you

918
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:30,040
know the end product and worked my way

919
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:32,950
back along a lot of different pathways

920
00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:35,050
it's just kinda you know and sometimes

921
00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:37,600
it's just fun to do the wild ideas you

922
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:39,820
know yeah you know be honest with you a

923
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:41,050
lot of people don't even want to hear

924
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:45,010
about my benign ideas yeah yes you say

925
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:47,290
you're like you you you have benign

926
00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:48,940
ideas about you know what this craft

927
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:50,830
actually was but I just

928
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:52,570
is it possible to even dial it back a

929
00:38:01,020 --> 00:37:56,110
little bit more than that and ask you

930
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:01,030
know how how absolutely convinced are

931
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:02,770
you that the radar returns actually

932
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:05,890
showed an actual craft I am a hundred

933
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:07,540
percent sure about that and that's

934
00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:09,010
that's about one of the few things that

935
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:10,900
I can honestly say that these were

936
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:13,770
actual solid tracks

937
00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:17,110
so initially knowing the system the

938
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:19,600
world as well as I do it'd be like

939
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:23,620
saying I don't know you know if you're

940
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:25,450
looking at a rainbow you know what's the

941
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:27,130
chances of it's actually diffused light

942
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:30,190
through through a cloud you know he all

943
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:33,790
right it's a it's a yeah it is you know

944
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:36,570
or somebody could be you know just

945
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:40,510
artificially making one there should be

946
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:43,870
a high level tech that we couldn't but

947
00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:45,460
either way even if it's high level tech

948
00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:48,070
spoofing a system that is ridiculously

949
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:51,580
hard to move that's still amazing so

950
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:53,620
even if you're right and this is

951
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:56,470
something else it's still amazing that

952
00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:58,500
they could do it and it's still a

953
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:00,700
technology that's far beyond anything

954
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:03,190
that we have on the field yeah I guess

955
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:06,040
my most my most banal explanation if I'm

956
00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:07,690
like you're making a list of possible

957
00:39:13,020 --> 00:39:10,420
explanations the most banal one is that

958
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,030
it is faulty radar returns from

959
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,240
something like cirrus clouds in high

960
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:18,640
altitude ice clouds and I know Kevin day

961
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:21,160
said that at some point the captain

962
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:25,240
suggested that it might be ice no he was

963
00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:26,890
a he was a cover story at the end just

964
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:30,100
trying to try to throw people off it was

965
00:39:35,610 --> 00:39:32,650
kind of an after-the-fact half-baked

966
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:35,620
thought from one person on the ships

967
00:39:40,859 --> 00:39:37,990
it's not caught on yeah

968
00:39:47,370 --> 00:39:40,869
and it's a because it spontaneously

969
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:47,380
forming ice in the atmosphere now if all

970
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,250
right so ice is pretty dense and will

971
00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:54,160
definitely give us a return but

972
00:39:59,730 --> 00:39:57,910
generally an object that large full of

973
00:40:00,450 --> 00:39:59,740
ice if it was a piece of ice that's

974
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:00,460
large

975
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,010
it wouldn't be able to stay aloft I mean

976
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:04,960
it's just honestly yeah yeah in too much

977
00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:07,089
mass well yeah I wouldn't have imagined

978
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:09,220
a big ice cube fully out of the sky I

979
00:40:14,099 --> 00:40:11,710
mean you would have to have a ridiculous

980
00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:14,109
of strats just to keep it mm-hmm

981
00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:17,020
even from you know but it wouldn't only

982
00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:21,070
drop as fast right what he suggests to

983
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:25,960
me and is that it would be clouds rather

984
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:28,450
than than you know falling ice a big big

985
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,460
block of ice I think because we talked

986
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:32,560
about it being at 28,000 feet which is

987
00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:35,230
in the range of cirrus clouds and it's

988
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:39,220
moving south ish I'm not sure the exact

989
00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:41,050
exact size is that heading that they had

990
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:43,780
and at about a hundred and fifteen miles

991
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:46,210
an hour about 100 knots which is about

992
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:50,430
the speed of the wind of their yeah now

993
00:40:57,089 --> 00:40:53,320
I would say I would say you might be

994
00:40:59,790 --> 00:40:57,099
onto something but I've seen serious

995
00:41:01,950 --> 00:40:59,800
clouds on the sky and I've seen serious

996
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:01,960
clouds when they actually have ice

997
00:41:07,859 --> 00:41:05,470
crystals in them and basically it looks

998
00:41:10,579 --> 00:41:07,869
like a disrupt like you'll see the

999
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:10,589
entire radar screen you look like a a

1000
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:13,240
disrupted pattern you won't see any one

1001
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:16,390
solid track when I see is small these

1002
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,930
small kind of wisps and our system

1003
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:21,760
wouldn't immediately say okay well

1004
00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:23,530
that's not a solid track and it would

1005
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:25,030
literally just erase them from the

1006
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:29,770
screen mm-hmm okay so even if there were

1007
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:32,740
huge solid optics you know like say it

1008
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:34,660
was faint and spontaneously forming ice

1009
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,140
crystals and say they weren't a big huge

1010
00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:40,000
block and they were just small crystals

1011
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:42,430
that could keep on an updraft you would

1012
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:46,030
still just see a very ever-shifting it

1013
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,060
would wouldn't be one solid track you

1014
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:51,040
know it wouldn't be because the entire

1015
00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:51,700
cloud

1016
00:41:58,530 --> 00:41:53,589
self is gonna take up a lot more space

1017
00:42:00,510 --> 00:41:58,540
than an f-18 yeah you know and so so the

1018
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:00,520
logic there's logically thinking through

1019
00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:03,130
that right say say we are attracting

1020
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:05,380
that cloud that cloud is going to

1021
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,619
immediately look like clutter and then

1022
00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:11,680
our radar will clean it up and then only

1023
00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:14,020
will only see the more solid parts of it

1024
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,150
which would mean the most dense portions

1025
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:18,640
that have ice in them and then once it

1026
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,970
realizes that those are just sporadic

1027
00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:22,960
because they're gonna move around

1028
00:42:28,349 --> 00:42:25,300
they're not going to be you know in just

1029
00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:28,359
one little circle because once they got

1030
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:31,000
dense enough they just fall alright but

1031
00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:32,010
I wasn't really thinking so much about

1032
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:34,900
tracking a cloud as in tracking the

1033
00:42:41,069 --> 00:42:37,930
whole cloud as an object more as a kind

1034
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:41,079
of like an optical RF not no optical

1035
00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:44,920
obviously bit RF type thing where the

1036
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:46,660
ice crystals are arranged in such a way

1037
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:50,020
that it reflects the radar beam in a

1038
00:42:55,710 --> 00:42:51,670
certain way now you know like

1039
00:42:57,809 --> 00:42:55,720
coronis and halos now that would work if

1040
00:42:58,829 --> 00:42:57,819
like you were talking about like a you

1041
00:43:02,730 --> 00:42:58,839
know a police radar

1042
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:02,740
you know nice radar it will feel foggy

1043
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:05,230
FEX it weather conditions affect it so

1044
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:06,670
you know you can get out of your ticket

1045
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:10,270
that way but with this system we're

1046
00:43:16,859 --> 00:43:14,230
pumping so much power out that that

1047
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:16,869
cloud doesn't stand a chance we're just

1048
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:19,540
we could probably burn straight through

1049
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:22,390
it you if you if you took a turkey and

1050
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:24,780
you put it on the outside of the that

1051
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:28,329
array it would cook the turkey hmm I

1052
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:30,910
mean we're talking this is a very

1053
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,800
powerful radar I mean I don't think it

1054
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:37,599
could change weather conditions but I

1055
00:43:43,319 --> 00:43:40,170
can guarantee that a cloud full of ice

1056
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:43,329
wouldn't really be a problem for it so I

1057
00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:46,470
guess let the program here is the and

1058
00:43:54,359 --> 00:43:49,540
the precise technical details of the

1059
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,369
this by radar are classified yeah they

1060
00:44:00,540 --> 00:43:57,359
are classified but I can tell you that

1061
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:00,550
any type of cloud on this planet doesn't

1062
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:02,650
do any problem for this radar whether it

1063
00:44:06,110 --> 00:44:04,350
has full of ice

1064
00:44:07,850 --> 00:44:06,120
and the only thing that would stop it is

1065
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:07,860
if there was literally a plane inside

1066
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,230
the cloud all right well it's suppose

1067
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:12,420
like okay I hear what you're saying the

1068
00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:14,850
how how would I personally go about

1069
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,070
verifying that there I hear you saying

1070
00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:19,680
it and join us because you're a prophet

1071
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:24,060
technician diamond ages technician

1072
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:25,530
that's not the only way you would ever

1073
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,750
be able to know is is is it something

1074
00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:30,480
that would essentially be covered by you

1075
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:32,820
know secrecy and that I wouldn't be able

1076
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:34,140
to get an answer if I went looking

1077
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:35,910
because I tried looking at technical

1078
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,650
specifications and you know trying to

1079
00:44:42,620 --> 00:44:39,900
find like papers on you might better

1080
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:42,630
luck looking for training manuals hmm

1081
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:45,720
you know so like look for ages training

1082
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,330
committee a kookn manuals in especially

1083
00:44:52,850 --> 00:44:50,520
for the older baselines that maybe not

1084
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:52,860
as classified anymore because like so

1085
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:55,160
the spies been around since baseline one

1086
00:45:00,800 --> 00:44:58,050
but it wasn't one Bravo it wasn't mean

1087
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,810
one Bravo ended up being you know the

1088
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:02,640
upgraded version of the original and

1089
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:04,980
then of course you know it's just Gandhi

1090
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:06,750
he gotten even even more crazy

1091
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:12,240
since then yeah but it uh yeah yes I

1092
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,470
mean I guess what I'm doing it's like

1093
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:15,780
I'm looking at how do we actually

1094
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:19,380
eliminate this possibility now yeah you

1095
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:21,990
only have system experts yeah and yeah

1096
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:25,110
we've got we've got you but and you're

1097
00:45:29,090 --> 00:45:26,730
telling me that it yeah it's impossible

1098
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:29,100
that a cirrus cloud could do it but you

1099
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:30,570
know the skeptic in me wants to actually

1100
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,970
have something written down or something

1101
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:35,040
that actually verifies what you're

1102
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:35,520
saying

1103
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:38,460
so we'll start with like uh like a forty

1104
00:45:43,570 --> 00:45:40,200
nine radar which is a which is a

1105
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:43,580
parabolic dish radar yeah go find a

1106
00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:46,310
specifications for FCS illuminators

1107
00:45:51,310 --> 00:45:49,800
because the FCS illuminator or just any

1108
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:51,320
type of illuminator

1109
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:54,930
which is basically just a dish that

1110
00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:00,480
shoots an hour have being if you go look

1111
00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:02,100
up the specifications on that and see

1112
00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:05,430
what they will do to a crowd then you

1113
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,790
can extrapolate because spy one Bravo is

1114
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:12,000
the most powerful radar on the planet so

1115
00:46:18,769 --> 00:46:15,390
I wonder like either the the spy radar

1116
00:46:21,019 --> 00:46:18,779
is obviously it's it's military applique

1117
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:21,029
is not not like or whether things it's

1118
00:46:25,579 --> 00:46:23,130
not designed to look at the weather it's

1119
00:46:27,949 --> 00:46:25,589
designed to detect incoming missiles and

1120
00:46:31,219 --> 00:46:27,959
try to lay there just to see solid

1121
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:31,229
objects or anything that's translucent

1122
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:35,339
or not a nada not a solid because he

1123
00:46:42,229 --> 00:46:38,729
uses algorithms to figure out what

1124
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,239
things are so like say like I said you

1125
00:46:47,299 --> 00:46:44,880
know once sees solid that's inside of a

1126
00:46:50,149 --> 00:46:47,309
cloud it filters it out because it's not

1127
00:46:52,819 --> 00:46:50,159
an actual solar track yeah

1128
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:52,829
it sees the shift it sees you know the

1129
00:46:56,539 --> 00:46:54,569
fact that all these ice crystals are

1130
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,549
moving around it's not a it'd be like

1131
00:47:00,289 --> 00:46:58,079
the difference if you if I took a

1132
00:47:02,059 --> 00:47:00,299
handful of sand and I and I ran it

1133
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:02,069
across your eyes you'd know that it was

1134
00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:03,689
sand moving across your eyes and not a

1135
00:47:09,019 --> 00:47:06,150
solid sheet of paper or I saw a machine

1136
00:47:13,249 --> 00:47:09,029
rock but now if I took that same sand

1137
00:47:15,769 --> 00:47:13,259
and I dumped it in a massive tub it's

1138
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:15,779
still sand but now if you're not in fear

1139
00:47:19,549 --> 00:47:17,640
if your perception is just dead on

1140
00:47:20,839 --> 00:47:19,559
looking straight forward you know

1141
00:47:23,509 --> 00:47:20,849
something's moving there but you're not

1142
00:47:25,669 --> 00:47:23,519
sure if it's solid all right now what's

1143
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:25,679
spy can do is it can say it can see all

1144
00:47:31,969 --> 00:47:30,209
these individual grains and say no these

1145
00:47:34,489 --> 00:47:31,979
are all different things it's not

1146
00:47:36,859 --> 00:47:34,499
there's no solid track there ignore that

1147
00:47:38,359 --> 00:47:36,869
move forward all right well I guess I'll

1148
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:38,369
have to try to do some more digging then

1149
00:47:40,909 --> 00:47:40,049
and try to figure out because it you

1150
00:47:43,339 --> 00:47:40,919
know what I want to do is try to

1151
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:43,349
eliminate possibilities yeah look look

1152
00:47:51,319 --> 00:47:47,099
look up maybe ages computer tech manuals

1153
00:47:55,579 --> 00:47:51,329
like my NEC was 1144 so if you can find

1154
00:47:57,769 --> 00:47:55,589
up and hold 11:44 ages computer manual

1155
00:48:00,499 --> 00:47:57,779
you know maybe a training guide of some

1156
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:00,509
type if it's non classified you should

1157
00:48:07,399 --> 00:48:04,079
be able to find it with the the display

1158
00:48:09,919 --> 00:48:07,409
of the spy radar that you saw is is that

1159
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:09,929
something that somebody could now draw a

1160
00:48:15,319 --> 00:48:11,819
picture of what that looked like without

1161
00:48:18,499 --> 00:48:15,329
it being classified all right picture

1162
00:48:20,929 --> 00:48:18,509
the standard radar I mean how could you

1163
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,939
recreate what you saw like visually

1164
00:48:24,469 --> 00:48:22,079
could you actually like you know going

1165
00:48:26,409 --> 00:48:24,479
to Photoshop and make something so so

1166
00:48:29,029 --> 00:48:26,419
you could like say here this is what

1167
00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:29,039
serious plotter looks like this is for

1168
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:31,140
Kevin it eats all those damn thing to

1169
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:31,650
hell my

1170
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:34,230
um think of an 80s style computer game

1171
00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:36,870
with a radar right yeah you know it mean

1172
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,390
it's it pretty much looks at that you

1173
00:48:44,810 --> 00:48:42,240
know the nice heavy pixels you know

1174
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:44,820
you're seeing a you know they were LCD

1175
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:46,500
monitors so I mean they were they were

1176
00:48:50,660 --> 00:48:48,330
at least had a little bit of detail to

1177
00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:50,670
the track so the travel via would be it

1178
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:52,350
would be a triangle you know and it

1179
00:48:58,460 --> 00:48:55,350
would it would have definition but I'm

1180
00:49:01,100 --> 00:48:58,470
not you know they didn't have to stare

1181
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:01,110
at the things for hundreds of hours so

1182
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:03,000
you know I was just a lucky little up

1183
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:04,530
there saying hey what does this mean hey

1184
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:07,170
what is happy yeah yeah I guess I should

1185
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:09,660
talk to Kevin because what I'd like to

1186
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:11,730
do is try to try that you know I'm tried

1187
00:49:16,850 --> 00:49:13,980
to eliminate possibilities and so we're

1188
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,860
good is to get these pictures of why you

1189
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:18,720
were so convinced that there was a real

1190
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:20,910
track you know what does a a false track

1191
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:22,140
to look like and what are these feints

1192
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:23,460
tracks and what are the strong tracks

1193
00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:26,850
can we draw it with a in Photoshop well

1194
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:28,830
he basically what a would like a faint

1195
00:49:33,350 --> 00:49:30,150
track would look like it's like

1196
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:33,360
imaginary aircraft moving along it comes

1197
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,090
and goes but then doesn't stay there and

1198
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,800
then it might come and go again and not

1199
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:42,240
stay there and then it just disappears

1200
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,450
and it's gone that would be fun that

1201
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:46,980
would be just that goes track there'd be

1202
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:48,570
just something that that would be like a

1203
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:50,310
ha something that seems solid for a

1204
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:52,890
couple of seconds at a time but I mean

1205
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:55,650
it would be a movie sometimes they're

1206
00:50:01,100 --> 00:49:58,770
just that quick though they're just you

1207
00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:01,110
know and then okay they're just gone now

1208
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:05,580
with these they would pop up they would

1209
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:08,760
go in that bearing for crazy amounts of

1210
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:13,110
time hours and hours and where if it was

1211
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:14,670
like a ghost track or if it was

1212
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:17,490
cluttered they wouldn't stay solid

1213
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:19,410
they wouldn't you you wouldn't see the

1214
00:50:25,070 --> 00:50:22,020
track consistently for long periods of

1215
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:25,080
time the system would automatically try

1216
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,270
to determine whether clutter or not and

1217
00:50:31,850 --> 00:50:30,180
it would basically blank it out and then

1218
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,860
it would come back as it got more solid

1219
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:33,900
blank it out and then would come back as

1220
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:36,510
it was if it was more solid but now once

1221
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:38,190
we did recalibrations these things just

1222
00:50:42,350 --> 00:50:40,410
popped in absolutely solid and they just

1223
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:42,360
stayed there until they decided to leave

1224
00:50:48,589 --> 00:50:45,780
so you ain't wrecking a single object

1225
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:48,599
several hours at the same object who

1226
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,670
have several objects you know there was

1227
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,619
between three and ten at any given time

1228
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:54,900
so then they could have been the same

1229
00:51:00,140 --> 00:50:57,720
ones over and over again like they could

1230
00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:00,150
have only been ten and then we were only

1231
00:51:04,099 --> 00:51:02,819
seeing the same objects of those ten

1232
00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:04,109
over and over again

1233
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,150
so after you've been trekking an object

1234
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:08,940
for hours how does it how does it end

1235
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:11,490
how do you stop tracking it does it fly

1236
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:14,280
away it either goes out of our range or

1237
00:51:18,529 --> 00:51:16,410
goes faster than our radar can track

1238
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:18,539
those are the only two options do you

1239
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:21,270
know what speeds that would be faster

1240
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:22,710
than the rate I we don't have to look it

1241
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:25,380
up and I'm actually pretty sure that

1242
00:51:32,859 --> 00:51:27,720
that's actually still classified okay

1243
00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:32,869
but I will say that the system can track

1244
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:35,339
there's there's a there was a hypersonic

1245
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:39,599
missile that or a Mach I can't remember

1246
00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:41,910
what Mach number but it was a faster

1247
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:43,470
than sound missile that the Russians

1248
00:51:50,059 --> 00:51:46,980
came up with mm-hmm and the C was that

1249
00:51:52,269 --> 00:51:50,069
used is also a phaser aid radar and the

1250
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:52,279
spy one Bravo can actually track that

1251
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:57,359
Mach at real time so basically think of

1252
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:58,770
it like the word we were talking about

1253
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:00,119
the parabolic dishes you're not

1254
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:01,770
interacting at real time you're tracking

1255
00:52:09,859 --> 00:52:05,700
an echo of real time there's a limit the

1256
00:52:12,260 --> 00:52:09,869
there's a limit and it was very very

1257
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:12,270
very fast because that's never still

1258
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:15,240
classified no matter how you say it if

1259
00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:17,880
it was if these objects were going that

1260
00:52:21,019 --> 00:52:18,630
fast

1261
00:52:23,269 --> 00:52:21,029
wouldn't that immediately raise concerns

1262
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:23,279
with you know the captain

1263
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:25,319
well they didn't move that fast until

1264
00:52:29,029 --> 00:52:27,480
out with interrogations which is exactly

1265
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,039
why I said after we did the

1266
00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:32,400
interrogation so like on the first day

1267
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:33,869
when you were you're tracking them on

1268
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:35,510
the first day before the interrogation

1269
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,059
did they just drift off when they fall

1270
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:41,460
off the radar when you get down by San

1271
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:42,900
Clemente where he said that they would

1272
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:45,750
all fall off when they fall off you

1273
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:46,500
don't worry about me

1274
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,049
they're gone okay they're not within our

1275
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:50,880
realm of influence anymore

1276
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,420
so before the interrogation they never

1277
00:52:59,809 --> 00:52:57,839
did any extreme maneuvers exactly

1278
00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:59,819
anytime they appeared they'd just be

1279
00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:02,640
doing this whole drift south thing at a

1280
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,059
hundred knots or so and not like I said

1281
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:09,000
it was very non-threatening I don't

1282
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:10,710
think I ever felt like I was ever in

1283
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,930
danger and I knew what was going on but

1284
00:53:18,859 --> 00:53:15,480
then again I also trusted my chain of

1285
00:53:21,319 --> 00:53:18,869
command and so and they weren't really

1286
00:53:22,819 --> 00:53:21,329
stressing about it so I'm interesting

1287
00:53:24,260 --> 00:53:22,829
about it you know I guess if there's

1288
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:24,270
just you know something drifting off in

1289
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:25,650
the distance it doesn't sound that bad

1290
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:28,230
but when it after the interrogation you

1291
00:53:31,099 --> 00:53:29,460
know forever comes back gives these

1292
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:31,109
reports the other pilot comes back with

1293
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:34,950
a video and then you start to see on the

1294
00:53:40,279 --> 00:53:38,490
radar it doing extreme maneuvers by

1295
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:40,289
dropping out of the sky like Kevin says

1296
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:43,260
it it was dropping from 28,000 feet to

1297
00:53:46,819 --> 00:53:45,089
500 feet in a fraction of a second

1298
00:53:49,339 --> 00:53:46,829
things like that yeah and you know you

1299
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:49,349
could actually track them going that

1300
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:52,200
fast so that was what was kind of

1301
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:53,819
blowing people's minds the fact that

1302
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:56,010
they could go from such an altitude down

1303
00:54:02,420 --> 00:53:58,890
with a you know I mean the friction

1304
00:54:04,809 --> 00:54:02,430
involved would be tremendous yeah they

1305
00:54:07,849 --> 00:54:04,819
manatees that would be pushed on to a

1306
00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:07,859
subject within the object would be

1307
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:09,550
tremendous

1308
00:54:14,820 --> 00:54:11,650
should have broke sound barrier several

1309
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:14,830
times so on its way down he I think I

1310
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:16,780
think it was like 0.7 seconds when they

1311
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:18,850
had figured out exactly how fast it was

1312
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:20,710
going like how fast it went that

1313
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,260
distance yeah I think Kevin said he

1314
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:25,680
replayed the data and he measured it

1315
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:28,920
yeah every planned read before it was

1316
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:32,710
wet from fat rice poor guy it was funny

1317
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:34,330
as well you're himself sorry for the

1318
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:35,550
first time and I'm thinking to myself

1319
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,290
yeah no exactly when you did that

1320
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:40,000
because it was right before I wiped all

1321
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:47,200
the drives so so after that was there a

1322
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:50,440
change in the ship like after you had

1323
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,120
the interrogation and you start to see

1324
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:54,160
them it was tight

1325
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:55,570
yeah things got a little bit more

1326
00:55:00,090 --> 00:54:57,370
uptight then we really want to talk

1327
00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:00,100
about it it was uh you know just a

1328
00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:03,340
running joke again and it was like they

1329
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,340
were trying to blow it off so after the

1330
00:55:11,730 --> 00:55:08,940
interrogation were you still seeing them

1331
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:11,740
um after the interrogation I didn't hear

1332
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:13,210
anything about them seeing them anymore

1333
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:15,610
I think after the interrogation they all

1334
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:17,770
bugged out but I I don't know get sure

1335
00:55:25,290 --> 00:55:21,910
it's just you know it's like once once

1336
00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:25,300
the party stops you know and you go home

1337
00:55:28,650 --> 00:55:26,920
you're not gonna call back and say hey

1338
00:55:31,470 --> 00:55:28,660
is the party still going on you know

1339
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:31,480
yeah I'd already said all right cool we

1340
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:34,240
saw you know I saw this video I said he

1341
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:36,760
thinks over a week and it's like I seen

1342
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:39,130
everything I needed to see if there's

1343
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:41,050
something new you know tell me if it

1344
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:42,670
buzzes the ship because I want to go out

1345
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:45,370
and look at it you know but other than

1346
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:47,650
that I didn't hear anything past that we

1347
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:50,310
went we went into port after that okay

1348
00:55:53,850 --> 00:55:52,330
that I'm just like trying to get a

1349
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:53,860
timeline straight here because like you

1350
00:55:56,940 --> 00:55:55,450
said like before the interrogation you

1351
00:56:01,320 --> 00:55:56,950
didn't see them doing any extreme

1352
00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:01,330
maneuvers on the radar and then after

1353
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:02,860
the interrogation and you didn't see

1354
00:56:08,730 --> 00:56:06,400
them so at what point with worse was

1355
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:08,740
Kevin observing these extremes dropping

1356
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:11,290
out of the sky during there it would be

1357
00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:13,690
during the day when they had okay 18

1358
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:15,430
interrogations that's when they started

1359
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:18,520
kind of doing these crazy maneuvers you

1360
00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:20,410
know going from very high altitudes to

1361
00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:22,600
sea level in less than seven second

1362
00:56:28,099 --> 00:56:24,990
point seven second

1363
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:28,109
you know like in the film in the

1364
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:29,910
original film you see the thing just

1365
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:34,650
yeah moving at tremendous speeds you

1366
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:37,020
know it speeds that take your eyes a

1367
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:39,270
second to realize that it's even moving

1368
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:40,740
and then once you do realize you moving

1369
00:56:46,550 --> 00:56:42,300
you know who's moving but it's still

1370
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:46,560
like wow I didn't even like your

1371
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,790
perception just isn't there

1372
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:52,500
did you see a like mole film

1373
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:54,510
besides the whatever it is like you know

1374
00:56:59,570 --> 00:56:56,450
one minute that's that's out that now

1375
00:57:02,089 --> 00:56:59,580
well the film the film that we saw is

1376
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:02,099
roughly I think right around between 8

1377
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,130
and 12 minutes or so if I had to take

1378
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:07,200
make a solid guess about 10 minutes long

1379
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:09,930
and then you know a lot of it was just

1380
00:57:14,780 --> 00:57:12,030
you know kind of garbage it really

1381
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:14,790
wasn't right on it but then you know and

1382
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:18,180
then then you saw this thing come in the

1383
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:21,210
frame you saw the the the part that you

1384
00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:24,180
guys see and then after that you see

1385
00:57:29,540 --> 00:57:26,580
this thing bug out and then come back

1386
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:29,550
and bug out and then come back and it's

1387
00:57:36,859 --> 00:57:33,930
always doing like right turns it's it's

1388
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:36,869
you know it's velocities are changing

1389
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:39,990
without changing changing speeds you

1390
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:42,359
know not it's not like slowing down to

1391
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:45,300
take a turn it's just turning and that

1392
00:57:49,310 --> 00:57:46,740
in my brain

1393
00:57:52,579 --> 00:57:49,320
Rosi brain you saw this on the video if

1394
00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:52,589
this doing terms yes you can see it

1395
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:54,119
doing turns in the video

1396
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,420
I was wondering how what you were

1397
00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:59,160
actually seeing that because like it

1398
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:00,900
really zoomed in on the video so it's

1399
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:02,550
about one degree field of view so you

1400
00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:05,369
know you're not seeing how how how could

1401
00:58:09,740 --> 00:58:07,230
you tell he does turn a bull he pull he

1402
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,750
pulls towards the end of the film he

1403
00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:11,700
does pull back because he's having a

1404
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:14,630
hard time keeping it in the frame

1405
00:58:19,579 --> 00:58:17,880
anymore so that yeah that's the least

1406
00:58:21,020 --> 00:58:19,589
that's my interpretation like you know

1407
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:21,030
so if I was sitting there filming that

1408
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:23,130
and because he kept it kind of kept

1409
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:25,140
dipping out of the frame and it looked

1410
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:26,310
like he was having a hard time keeping

1411
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:29,849
it in the frame because again I'm moving

1412
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:31,950
kind of drifting off out of the frame

1413
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:35,400
and then so he went to a more wide

1414
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:38,970
look two of it so it would be just a an

1415
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:40,920
object in the middle and then you would

1416
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:44,640
probably have from what you guys saw

1417
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,400
probably about ten times the field of

1418
00:58:51,830 --> 00:58:49,680
view then you know you'd have ten times

1419
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:51,840
the space around it that you have seen

1420
00:58:57,050 --> 00:58:54,810
so you're not seeing the detail that you

1421
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:57,060
have seen in the original like in the

1422
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,250
first portion of it but you're gonna see

1423
00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:02,640
it's flight mechanics a lot more and I

1424
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:04,230
think it easily that on purpose because

1425
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:05,970
of what it was doing

1426
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:08,040
could you see clouds in the background

1427
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:12,420
and and water no not really

1428
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:14,310
so it's just all just gray background

1429
00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:15,930
and you see the black yeah in the middle

1430
00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:20,190
yeah so it was just it was just the ship

1431
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:23,550
that he was tracking and him flying and

1432
00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:26,010
you could tell like when he would you

1433
00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:29,220
know raise his nose you could see you

1434
00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:32,550
know because it was a it was it was from

1435
00:59:36,110 --> 00:59:34,680
I understand a clear day so there

1436
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:36,120
wouldn't have been too many clouds

1437
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:39,660
anyways but I've gotten collecting

1438
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:41,700
reports and you gonna remember that for

1439
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:43,410
the most part during this whole the

1440
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:44,730
whole interrogation and everything I

1441
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:46,050
would have been inside the skin of the

1442
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:48,990
ship yeah so I really don't remember

1443
00:59:54,050 --> 00:59:51,660
what the weather was like that day yeah

1444
00:59:55,580 --> 00:59:54,060
just if there's no clouds or water you

1445
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:55,590
can't really tell whether it's the

1446
00:59:59,570 --> 00:59:57,780
camera moving or it's the object moving

1447
01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:59,580
so it's hard just to know that it's

1448
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:01,410
actually making moves because it could

1449
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:04,290
be just moving the camera from one side

1450
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:05,030
to the other

1451
01:00:10,550 --> 01:00:08,190
that could be true I can give you I can

1452
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,560
give you at least that one when uh with

1453
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:13,200
the way those pods are I don't really

1454
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:15,690
think that that would have really worked

1455
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:18,480
that way because yeah I got a also here

1456
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:20,370
remember we can actually see the bearing

1457
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:23,160
of the actual plane itself yeah that

1458
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:24,450
wouldn't change when the cameras moving

1459
01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:26,430
though I'm not saying that the jet

1460
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:27,870
itself is moving I'm just saying the

1461
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,400
cameras moving here the Jets here and

1462
01:00:34,370 --> 01:00:30,960
the cameras like you know underneath it

1463
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:34,380
yeah so it's okay that the camera would

1464
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:36,990
have moved to move with that with the

1465
01:00:41,180 --> 01:00:39,150
craft you know it would have been

1466
01:00:43,580 --> 01:00:41,190
tracking the craft itself so it would

1467
01:00:46,089 --> 01:00:43,590
have been moving with the craft and so

1468
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:46,099
if you know unless the jet move

1469
01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:48,180
then you would kind of get that effect

1470
01:00:51,949 --> 01:00:50,670
like that you're talking about well if

1471
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:51,959
if camera would still move to track the

1472
01:00:55,009 --> 01:00:53,729
craft in that case there even if a jet

1473
01:00:58,819 --> 01:00:55,019
moved because the jet moves and the

1474
01:01:02,599 --> 01:00:58,829
camera stays it the it would only move

1475
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:02,609
if you lost lock and now also the the

1476
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:04,650
camera wouldn't be janky it wouldn't it

1477
01:01:10,099 --> 01:01:06,569
wouldn't just be jagged no it would just

1478
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:10,109
be a smooth move as it moves yeah so if

1479
01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:13,380
say so so the camera moving and then the

1480
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:16,529
jet and then the objects moving in an

1481
01:01:20,479 --> 01:01:17,849
irregular didn't matter

1482
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,489
the it's still you know the camera is

1483
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:22,319
not bouncing or anything it's just

1484
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:24,329
moving smooth it's the thing though if

1485
01:01:30,469 --> 01:01:28,400
the camera is locked on to the object

1486
01:01:32,749 --> 01:01:30,479
but then the camera is going to be

1487
01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:32,759
tracking this object and no matter which

1488
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:37,380
way it moves up down that's right so how

1489
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:38,819
would you how do you know the object was

1490
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:40,859
moving it would have to move out of the

1491
01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:42,569
actual frame which means that the frame

1492
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:44,430
had lost track system itself it would

1493
01:01:47,689 --> 01:01:46,380
actually move with the object you know

1494
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:47,699
so you wouldn't be had to see it's

1495
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:50,249
moving if it wasn't me well you could

1496
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:52,140
tell if it was like a Genki move like

1497
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:53,849
what you're talking about like so if he

1498
01:01:59,989 --> 01:01:56,689
was like uh you know if the camera was

1499
01:02:01,699 --> 01:01:59,999
was was moving at a fast rate which they

1500
01:02:04,999 --> 01:02:01,709
don't they just move at the rate that

1501
01:02:08,359 --> 01:02:05,009
they need it's a very smooth movement if

1502
01:02:11,989 --> 01:02:08,369
you look up a video of of like just look

1503
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:11,999
up like a you know the manufacturer's

1504
01:02:17,509 --> 01:02:15,089
video of of it they have a video of how

1505
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:17,519
a fusion like then you'll see how smooth

1506
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:20,609
that thing actually moves yeah I'm not

1507
01:02:24,019 --> 01:02:22,410
sure that you would really see the

1508
01:02:26,059 --> 01:02:24,029
effect that you're talking about on that

1509
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,069
yeah it's just if there's no background

1510
01:02:31,099 --> 01:02:28,799
you can't really see this and if it

1511
01:02:33,069 --> 01:02:31,109
moves out of the out of the targeting

1512
01:02:35,479 --> 01:02:33,079
area that means it's actually lost track

1513
01:02:38,259 --> 01:02:35,489
which could be a camera movement rather

1514
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:38,269
than the actual object movement

1515
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,329
I'd have to replicate it but I think

1516
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:44,880
with the way that that object did move

1517
01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:48,420
just because it's not gonna generate a

1518
01:02:53,959 --> 01:02:50,099
right turn you know you couldn't

1519
01:02:57,259 --> 01:02:53,969
generate a right turn at a constant

1520
01:02:59,600 --> 01:02:57,269
velocity or a left turn at a constant

1521
01:03:01,700 --> 01:02:59,610
velocity I mean unless the jet was layer

1522
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:01,710
turning on its access while the cameras

1523
01:03:06,350 --> 01:03:03,090
moving hmm

1524
01:03:07,580 --> 01:03:06,360
so then like you know so you see what I

1525
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:07,590
mean though like all right so if you

1526
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:10,110
were watching it yeah you could see it

1527
01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:11,610
could look like it's speeding out of the

1528
01:03:15,830 --> 01:03:13,230
frame and in and out of the frame or

1529
01:03:20,510 --> 01:03:15,840
going up and down or doing weird things

1530
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:20,520
like that but while it's still within

1531
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:23,370
the frame you could see it taking these

1532
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:25,940
right turns in these left turns at

1533
01:03:31,610 --> 01:03:29,280
90-degree angles at st. and not they're

1534
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:31,620
not slowing down so gonna spin the

1535
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:34,290
actual frame you can see that having a

1536
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:36,900
hard time visualizing that but I guess

1537
01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:38,700
that's something we could yeah all right

1538
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,920
so all right so what it wants is a

1539
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:42,720
picture all right so you're sitting in

1540
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:44,730
the cockpit you're looking at your

1541
01:03:47,330 --> 01:03:45,150
camera

1542
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:47,340
neurontin and you see you set it to

1543
01:03:52,310 --> 01:03:49,830
start tracking this okay so you flip

1544
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,320
through your cameras and you okay you

1545
01:03:56,180 --> 01:03:54,240
see it all right so now you start moving

1546
01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:56,190
it around to try to get a better better

1547
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,840
you know you flipped through the

1548
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:59,280
different cameras you're trying to find

1549
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:00,660
it you know you want to make sure that

1550
01:04:04,610 --> 01:04:02,310
you get as much film in different

1551
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:04,620
versions as possible so they think and

1552
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:06,090
get as much information you're looking

1553
01:04:09,830 --> 01:04:08,280
for jetwash you're looking for you know

1554
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:09,840
anything that could be identifying on

1555
01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:12,210
how it's staying in the air you so

1556
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:13,950
that's actually the purpose of clipping

1557
01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:17,130
improve all the different films alright

1558
01:04:22,070 --> 01:04:20,430
so if there's a jet flume you know once

1559
01:04:25,570 --> 01:04:22,080
you hit the thermal you'll be able to

1560
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:25,580
see a jet plume you know if you you know

1561
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:27,780
infrared you'll be able to see heat

1562
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:29,910
signatures you'd be able to see if there

1563
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:31,770
is a hot spot somewhere so there could

1564
01:04:36,050 --> 01:04:34,380
be an engine you know those those that

1565
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:36,060
would be the the reason why he would be

1566
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:37,830
flipping it through and then he settles

1567
01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:40,110
on whatever he sees he can see the best

1568
01:04:44,660 --> 01:04:43,020
detail and then from there you see him

1569
01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:44,670
and he starts zooming in and out he's

1570
01:04:49,610 --> 01:04:46,710
trying to look for that that sweet spot

1571
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:49,620
so he hits that sweet spot alright so

1572
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:51,540
now it's generally not doing a whole lot

1573
01:04:57,110 --> 01:04:53,850
at that point so he's able to actually

1574
01:04:59,090 --> 01:04:57,120
do all of this stuff manually and then

1575
01:05:02,840 --> 01:04:59,100
all of a sudden it starts to move along

1576
01:05:05,330 --> 01:05:02,850
with the jet and and same so you start

1577
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:05,340
moving it to try to follow it does work

1578
01:05:09,020 --> 01:05:07,380
and that's when you can kind of see the

1579
01:05:13,319 --> 01:05:09,030
camera move and it just kind of moves

1580
01:05:16,769 --> 01:05:13,329
off off and then he goes more towards a

1581
01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:16,779
why yeah that he zooms trashcan so that

1582
01:05:24,029 --> 01:05:18,940
it's more of a wide angle and you can

1583
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:24,039
actually see it now moving around and at

1584
01:05:29,370 --> 01:05:26,130
certain points you can see it do like a

1585
01:05:33,390 --> 01:05:29,380
bright turn within the frame itself not

1586
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:33,400
like going off of the frame you know so

1587
01:05:38,759 --> 01:05:36,160
within the actual field of vision of the

1588
01:05:42,299 --> 01:05:38,769
camera Susan she is through a right turn

1589
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:42,309
at constant velocity you can see if you

1590
01:05:49,469 --> 01:05:46,869
left turns at constant velocities in

1591
01:05:51,209 --> 01:05:49,479
patterns thank you like in circular

1592
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:51,219
patterns and ovals and things like that

1593
01:06:02,849 --> 01:05:53,890
without changing any velocities and they

1594
01:06:04,859 --> 01:06:02,859
were such tight patterns that hmm well

1595
01:06:07,499 --> 01:06:04,869
how I would tell it in a modern vehicle

1596
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:07,509
you would be basically there you know

1597
01:06:12,839 --> 01:06:09,700
mush on the side of that that vessel

1598
01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:12,849
yeah and so I handle that kind of

1599
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,950
pressure so what what do you think it

1600
01:06:22,099 --> 01:06:17,200
actually was what's your number one

1601
01:06:26,759 --> 01:06:24,449
basically all right so I honestly think

1602
01:06:29,609 --> 01:06:26,769
that it was an actual physical object

1603
01:06:32,009 --> 01:06:29,619
uh-huh I think it was a very very

1604
01:06:34,259 --> 01:06:32,019
advanced piece of technology am I

1605
01:06:34,589 --> 01:06:34,269
convinced of anything alien no not

1606
01:06:37,140 --> 01:06:34,599
really

1607
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:37,150
no honestly until an alien land for my

1608
01:06:43,739 --> 01:06:40,150
lawn or I mean I'm an artist and then

1609
01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:43,749
you know I'll lose the idea that it is

1610
01:06:47,449 --> 01:06:45,640
plausible because I'm a big fan of Drake

1611
01:06:49,769 --> 01:06:47,459
and Drake's equation and the fact that

1612
01:06:54,029 --> 01:06:49,779
you know to think that there's no other

1613
01:06:56,489 --> 01:06:54,039
life in the universe I you know I can

1614
01:06:58,049 --> 01:06:56,499
concede the yes there definitely is life

1615
01:06:59,729 --> 01:06:58,059
in the rest of the universe

1616
01:07:02,699 --> 01:06:59,739
yeah we've proof we've proven that just

1617
01:07:04,109 --> 01:07:02,709
with comet's comets holds that all

1618
01:07:07,049 --> 01:07:04,119
building blocks of life you know

1619
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:07,059
basically you know nature's life giver

1620
01:07:12,479 --> 01:07:09,690
for a you know garbage planet over rock

1621
01:07:13,709 --> 01:07:12,489
you know okay here's all the basic

1622
01:07:16,410 --> 01:07:13,719
building blocks here's all your amino

1623
01:07:17,999 --> 01:07:16,420
acids yours your you know here's all of

1624
01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:18,009
your protein so that you can start

1625
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:22,630
single-celled organism so it's a yeah

1626
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:24,880
it's it's it's for there not to be life

1627
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:27,130
somewhere else now possibly

1628
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:30,790
and arranged now I Kevin youth I just

1629
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:33,550
listen to one of his lectures and he's a

1630
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:36,520
little bit more down-to-earth I do a lot

1631
01:07:40,590 --> 01:07:38,770
of things say he's basically generally

1632
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:40,600
was talking about you know if there was

1633
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:42,220
another civilization and they didn't

1634
01:07:46,050 --> 01:07:44,110
have fast for my travel which is most

1635
01:07:50,220 --> 01:07:46,060
likely which is something that I

1636
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:50,230
actually think too that if we did get

1637
01:07:55,350 --> 01:07:52,990
visited by a balance and I don't think

1638
01:07:57,150 --> 01:07:55,360
it was a permanent trip I don't I think

1639
01:07:59,700 --> 01:07:57,160
it was these people would have to be a

1640
01:08:01,740 --> 01:07:59,710
set of people that are nomadic they have

1641
01:08:03,390 --> 01:08:01,750
to be consistently moving and they're

1642
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:03,400
never going to go back to the home work

1643
01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:04,720
by the time they get back to the home

1644
01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:06,580
world that's you know a hundred thousand

1645
01:08:10,850 --> 01:08:09,070
years in the future yeah I mean said

1646
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:10,860
yeah exactly

1647
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:13,480
even if they come back here you know

1648
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:16,170
[\h__\h] everything's extinct that was here

1649
01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:18,610
the last time they were here you know

1650
01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:19,990
they're they're dealing with geologic

1651
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:22,600
time in their in their realm there it's

1652
01:08:28,940 --> 01:08:26,110
only been eight months yeah so you know

1653
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:28,950
is that love lovely time dilation Brian

1654
01:08:36,830 --> 01:08:32,530
and so as you can tell I do got a decent

1655
01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:36,840
grasp the physics yeah well so his idea

1656
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:40,300
did generally says that you know if they

1657
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:43,390
if they are these people and that would

1658
01:08:47,850 --> 01:08:45,010
explain why a lot of the similar crafts

1659
01:08:49,890 --> 01:08:47,860
a lot of similar you know shapes before

1660
01:08:52,650 --> 01:08:49,900
these just could be just things left

1661
01:08:56,130 --> 01:08:52,660
behind by them for all I know but most

1662
01:08:59,010 --> 01:08:56,140
likely you know we could have had a

1663
01:09:01,550 --> 01:08:59,020
cartel on technology since the 40s you

1664
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:01,560
know I mean with you know the

1665
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:03,850
Vanderbilts and you know all these big

1666
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:04,980
money

1667
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:07,150
they did it with the oil industry the

1668
01:09:10,340 --> 01:09:09,130
diamond industry why didn't I wouldn't

1669
01:09:13,020 --> 01:09:10,350
they do with the technology industry

1670
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:13,030
mm-hmm and so if we had these crazy

1671
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:15,610
advanced technology and I mean it may be

1672
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:18,070
on a world platform where there's

1673
01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:20,410
actually a level of black market that

1674
01:09:27,450 --> 01:09:22,510
country's steel in black market

1675
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,460
technology like this who knows yeah oil

1676
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:28,960
and diamonds are not my secret

1677
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:33,130
commodities the yes but then again you

1678
01:09:37,890 --> 01:09:35,410
can you can stumble across a diamond and

1679
01:09:39,330 --> 01:09:37,900
you can stumble across oil but you can't

1680
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:39,340
stumble across an advanced piece of

1681
01:09:43,999 --> 01:09:40,690
technology

1682
01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:44,009
yeah nah do you think I'll easily it's

1683
01:09:48,570 --> 01:09:47,020
you know if they've got this this this

1684
01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:48,580
this cartel idea you're talking about

1685
01:09:54,209 --> 01:09:51,640
with keeping this advanced technology is

1686
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:54,219
you saying that they are using the

1687
01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:55,750
technology for something else or are

1688
01:10:01,560 --> 01:09:58,600
they actually incorporating it gradually

1689
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:01,570
into human society I think as they can

1690
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:03,810
profit or as as I mean it's not a very

1691
01:10:09,209 --> 01:10:06,790
it's not a very far-fetched idea that

1692
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:09,219
people would hold back something tomato

1693
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:11,770
crop you know I mean it's been happening

1694
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,350
since you know beginning of time you

1695
01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:16,239
know hey I got a bronze axe you know I

1696
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:18,160
can make bronze axes for you but you

1697
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:20,290
know it's costly and then you find out

1698
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:22,270
that it's not that costly and you know

1699
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:24,280
now eighteen guys can do it another cost

1700
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:26,530
goes down yeah so I mean it's the same

1701
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:28,449
cycle all the way around you know they

1702
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:30,070
make a little blue pill that allows you

1703
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:31,570
to enjoy your life all the way through

1704
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:33,850
to the end then all of a sudden ten

1705
01:10:38,729 --> 01:10:34,449
years later

1706
01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:38,739
everybody can make the pill you know so

1707
01:10:44,810 --> 01:10:41,230
I mean it's it's it's the same thing you

1708
01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:44,820
know I mean we we know of chemicals that

1709
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:49,300
[\h__\h] the growth those tumors but

1710
01:10:55,410 --> 01:10:52,960
they're tied up in the bureaucracy you

1711
01:10:57,630 --> 01:10:55,420
know we know of all kinds of tech that's

1712
01:10:58,860 --> 01:10:57,640
just basically sitting around waiting to

1713
01:11:01,260 --> 01:10:58,870
be completely proven

1714
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:01,270
yeah they say this cause they can run on

1715
01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:03,310
water I don't believe you're there they

1716
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:05,320
to say that well what it is is that

1717
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:07,810
those are hydrogen cell cars they use

1718
01:11:12,780 --> 01:11:10,870
osmosis that's it's a simple thing they

1719
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:12,790
basically just take water they separate

1720
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:14,110
the hydrogen from it they use the

1721
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:16,510
hydrogen as a fuel cell and then it

1722
01:11:20,670 --> 01:11:19,449
spits out spits out oxygen because it

1723
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:20,680
doesn't actually work though because you

1724
01:11:24,930 --> 01:11:22,210
need the energy to split the hydrogen

1725
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:24,940
and the oxygen well that's just it he

1726
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:28,210
would uh once a I mean it's not even

1727
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:30,070
even even a combustion engine is

1728
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:33,190
insufficient yeah hey nobody said it was

1729
01:11:39,689 --> 01:11:34,449
efficient it's just that it would work

1730
01:11:42,209 --> 01:11:39,699
yeah so basically you would set this

1731
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:42,219
thing to you know the osmosis mode at

1732
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:43,570
night while you're sleeping to get

1733
01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:45,070
enough hydrogen to go to work in the

1734
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:46,870
morning right well it's like plugging in

1735
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:48,449
your electric car really essentially

1736
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:50,820
introduced our now is this an energy

1737
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,350
technique yeah exactly

1738
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:54,560
it doesn't work but it's

1739
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,720
not as efficient and it could be more

1740
01:12:01,900 --> 01:11:58,400
efficient and it could eventually work

1741
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:01,910
well the technology's come a long ways I

1742
01:12:06,190 --> 01:12:04,280
mean even look at look at some of the

1743
01:12:08,740 --> 01:12:06,200
technology just in some of these hybrid

1744
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:08,750
cars you know using even the therm the

1745
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,120
thermal thermal coupling of the brakes

1746
01:12:15,190 --> 01:12:13,520
to generate power you know they're

1747
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:15,200
they're trying to pull as much power as

1748
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:16,850
they can out of these things to

1749
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:18,530
regenerate you know the recharge the

1750
01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:20,870
batteries as long as possible yeah

1751
01:12:25,450 --> 01:12:22,670
you'll be interesting if there's

1752
01:12:27,370 --> 01:12:25,460
actually some UFO technology that's

1753
01:12:31,140 --> 01:12:27,380
incorporated into current technology

1754
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,150
like you know if this you know this big

1755
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:34,400
conspiracy is actually true you could

1756
01:12:38,770 --> 01:12:37,070
imagine that there was you know like

1757
01:12:40,450 --> 01:12:38,780
like the iPhone gets a bit better every

1758
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:40,460
year the cars get a little better every

1759
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:42,290
year so you have to buy a new car and so

1760
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:43,610
the they're giving you a little bit more

1761
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:46,400
alien technology and yeah yeah now you

1762
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:48,110
know even if it's not even alien

1763
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:49,730
technology but it's a you see see

1764
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:51,950
technically see in the 40s they did pick

1765
01:12:56,110 --> 01:12:53,930
up a craft you know they they found some

1766
01:12:58,570 --> 01:12:56,120
some weird technology they don't know

1767
01:13:00,610 --> 01:12:58,580
where it's from and they start ganking

1768
01:13:01,750 --> 01:13:00,620
with it in the 40s well you know what

1769
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,760
these guys in the forties would have

1770
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,440
done they would have applied electricity

1771
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:05,600
to the boards or what they thought were

1772
01:13:08,980 --> 01:13:06,920
boards they would have tried to

1773
01:13:10,540 --> 01:13:08,990
electrocute it they was trying to freeze

1774
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,550
it they would have tried to catch it on

1775
01:13:16,570 --> 01:13:13,360
fire they would have tried to say hey oh

1776
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:16,580
yeah you know basically the crude forms

1777
01:13:21,460 --> 01:13:18,230
of things because they didn't have an

1778
01:13:25,420 --> 01:13:21,470
understanding of subatomic mall you know

1779
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:25,430
structures or or the you know even

1780
01:13:30,430 --> 01:13:28,190
semiconductors would have been like yeah

1781
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:30,440
what like a modern go to you to you know

1782
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:31,490
what do you mean you have an entire

1783
01:13:37,150 --> 01:13:34,490
computer on a chip that's not real

1784
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:37,160
you know I mean yeah everything's magic

1785
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:38,450
and everything's aliens and so let's

1786
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:42,800
proven not to be tell me real quick

1787
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:45,290
about you IP enterprises because I'm

1788
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:49,490
right yeah here we got a visually a you

1789
01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:52,010
know the ragtag group of people and we

1790
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:53,420
got some you know people like Kevin

1791
01:13:58,930 --> 01:13:56,780
Knuth and deep and deep Assad and you

1792
01:14:02,980 --> 01:13:58,940
know some really really big brains that

1793
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:02,990
make me feel stupid and you know what

1794
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:05,990
we're trying to do is you know figure

1795
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:09,040
out what these what these phenomenon are

1796
01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:11,570
primarily our first task is we want to

1797
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:14,390
go back out to where we were at when we

1798
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:18,170
tracked these you ApS and you know since

1799
01:14:22,450 --> 01:14:20,690
we've been doing video a lot D in that

1800
01:14:24,010 --> 01:14:22,460
area and you know as long as there's

1801
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:24,020
been humans there they've been reporting

1802
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:26,810
these these types of sightings and it

1803
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:28,640
goes back you know over a hundred years

1804
01:14:35,919 --> 01:14:31,489
you know and if you take into consider

1805
01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:35,929
and you know say 99.9% of these stories

1806
01:14:39,959 --> 01:14:38,150
are absolutely a drunken sailor on a

1807
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:39,969
ship and somebody with a flashlight you

1808
01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:43,489
know something as simple as that

1809
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:45,080
you know even if 1% of those stories are

1810
01:14:49,919 --> 01:14:46,790
true there's something to it you know if

1811
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:49,929
you have a thousand unrelated people and

1812
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:52,670
you know a hundred of them see something

1813
01:15:00,280 --> 01:14:56,960
on and they all correlate well there's

1814
01:15:02,610 --> 01:15:00,290
something to it maybe there it's well so

1815
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:02,620
something especially where there's

1816
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:07,730
another yeah you know and I mean it's we

1817
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:09,530
we're finding that a lot of these

1818
01:15:13,930 --> 01:15:11,510
stories are pretty dead-on

1819
01:15:16,570 --> 01:15:13,940
you know without and when we talk to

1820
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:16,580
these people you know we're not telling

1821
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:18,410
you anything about us or what we're

1822
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:20,239
looking for you know we're just asking

1823
01:15:24,669 --> 01:15:22,489
them their story you know most people

1824
01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:24,679
are glad to tell us Mandie blurry

1825
01:15:29,650 --> 01:15:27,260
reluctant to tell it you know you get

1826
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:29,660
all walks you know you get more people

1827
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:32,210
and less rough younger people I wish we

1828
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:35,510
could have all you know PhDs and

1829
01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:38,690
military guys you know people that at

1830
01:15:41,770 --> 01:15:40,310
least have been bedded with a background

1831
01:15:42,939 --> 01:15:41,780
you know if you have a Tufts of your

1832
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:42,949
clearance at least we know you're not

1833
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:48,530
insane you have to do a psych eval it's

1834
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:51,110
you know it's it's you there's at least

1835
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:53,750
a small bit of criteria that you can go

1836
01:15:58,150 --> 01:15:56,330
on you know so still you actually

1837
01:16:03,760 --> 01:15:58,160
working on the projects now how do you

1838
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:03,770
Fe yeah we're working on we've got ships

1839
01:16:09,939 --> 01:16:06,170
shut up set up to be chartered we has

1840
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,949
technology set up to be used to check

1841
01:16:12,970 --> 01:16:11,840
everything from um fields to the

1842
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:12,980
environmental data

1843
01:16:18,370 --> 01:16:15,890
you know analysis of the actual water in

1844
01:16:20,490 --> 01:16:18,380
the area you know we're trying to keep

1845
01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:20,500
every stoner

1846
01:16:25,650 --> 01:16:23,560
turn every stone you know so in our

1847
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:25,660
group ranges everybody from you know

1848
01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:27,489
guys like me their nuts and bolts and

1849
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:29,710
more you know more pragmatic it's a guys

1850
01:16:35,010 --> 01:16:32,640
that you know this was you know a

1851
01:16:36,959 --> 01:16:35,020
life-changing thing that happens is that

1852
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:36,969
you know they they are more spiritually

1853
01:16:43,530 --> 01:16:41,110
moved by this - mm-hmm you know and I'd

1854
01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:43,540
make more fun of that if I hadn't

1855
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:45,910
started moving into quantum mechanics

1856
01:16:51,689 --> 01:16:49,360
and as you read deeper and deeper into

1857
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:51,699
these these newer quantum mechanics

1858
01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:54,489
these actual sign of sugars are doing in

1859
01:17:03,780 --> 01:16:57,300
quantum sciences in the club science

1860
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:03,790
it's borderline insane I mean you know I

1861
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:06,340
mean basically do physics without time

1862
01:17:14,130 --> 01:17:10,570
or distance yeah and see what you get

1863
01:17:16,979 --> 01:17:14,140
and I mean that's basically what they're

1864
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,989
saying is that basically time at farm

1865
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:18,640
scale doesn't it doesn't matter and

1866
01:17:23,729 --> 01:17:21,330
dislikes doesn't matter but every single

1867
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:23,739
particle in the entire universe

1868
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:27,670
is quantum entangled and the interesting

1869
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,600
stuff yeah it hurts my head's half the

1870
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:33,840
time but it's it's crazy interesting

1871
01:17:38,250 --> 01:17:36,370
well do you have any questions for me

1872
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:38,260
specific direct questions because I want

1873
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:41,080
to make sure that you know and I've

1874
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:43,210
tried to be as honest as I can if I

1875
01:17:46,770 --> 01:17:44,530
don't know something I don't know it on

1876
01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:46,780
I do apologize but that and I tried to

1877
01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:51,190
keep my my opinions to a minimum oh yeah

1878
01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:53,230
now I really appreciate ya everything

1879
01:17:59,250 --> 01:17:55,960
you told me I think like the the

1880
01:18:00,840 --> 01:17:59,260
difficulty really is in you know making

1881
01:18:03,060 --> 01:18:00,850
a case that doesn't just simply rely

1882
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:03,070
upon you know this eyewitness testimony

1883
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:05,530
and talking about things like yeah you

1884
01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:09,010
you telling me that it couldn't possibly

1885
01:18:14,189 --> 01:18:12,310
be a serious cloud or something like

1886
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:14,199
that and yeah I think where I would like

1887
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:16,030
to do is the next step is try to nail

1888
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:19,600
that down and yes so I said I hope I've

1889
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:20,920
something at least a couple of leads

1890
01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:23,980
here finding information on it and older

1891
01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:27,550
baselines so you you want to buy data

1892
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:30,280
you know spy information be able to find

1893
01:18:34,580 --> 01:18:31,620
maybe

1894
01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:34,590
you know training manuals on spy radar

1895
01:18:39,770 --> 01:18:36,840
technician training manual is in there

1896
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:39,780
or yeah shows computer technician

1897
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:41,820
training manuals you know I mean even if

1898
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:43,110
they're really old they'll give you an

1899
01:18:47,180 --> 01:18:44,640
idea what it can do

1900
01:18:52,130 --> 01:18:47,190
they'll never find information about how

1901
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,140
powerful it is but it is very very very

1902
01:18:57,260 --> 01:18:55,440
sour there's one thing I one thing I

1903
01:19:00,170 --> 01:18:57,270
don't know whilst you were talking about

1904
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:00,180
it being secret about how fast they can

1905
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:03,600
track things but you also told me that

1906
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:05,370
you can calculate how fast they dropped

1907
01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:08,580
out of the sky and so that puts kind of

1908
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:12,060
like a limit on the speed little bit of

1909
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:14,210
track you can get a little chewy but uh

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01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:17,010
it's it's we can track much faster than

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01:19:21,710 --> 01:19:20,130
that even there and it's uh so that

1912
01:19:24,410 --> 01:19:21,720
there again I would like to I'd like to

1913
01:19:27,490 --> 01:19:24,420
see the specs on yeah I had a lot of

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01:19:30,140 --> 01:19:27,500
people would like to see the next yeah

1915
01:19:31,670 --> 01:19:30,150
the questions are chain is you know

1916
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:31,680
everybody that doesn't have a hideous

1917
01:19:37,970 --> 01:19:36,000
technology I'll try the dark web hey if

1918
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:37,980
you had access to it go for just

1919
01:19:41,570 --> 01:19:40,710
remember Snowden doesn't live in Russia

1920
01:19:43,790 --> 01:19:41,580
for a reason

1921
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:43,800
yes yes and if I'm reading his book at

1922
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:47,490
the moment it's interesting yeah but

1923
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:48,690
anyway that's another topic though

1924
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:50,730
anyway Gary I'll let you get back to

1925
01:19:55,250 --> 01:19:52,890
your family and I'm gonna thank you very

1926
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:55,260
much for taking the time to talk to me

1927
01:19:59,390 --> 01:19:57,930
and if I've got some more questions can

1928
01:20:02,480 --> 01:19:59,400
I like you know follow up with you like

1929
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:02,490
on on Twitter or I keep I keep it you

1930
01:20:08,810 --> 01:20:06,320
you're actually on me again thank but

1931
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:08,820
keep track of all these you know here

1932
01:20:11,950 --> 01:20:11,400
you say imagine and everybody tells you

1933
01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:11,960
you're an idiot

1934
01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:14,630
[Laughter]

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01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:17,400
I understand where you're coming from

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01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:18,810
your trunk you're trying to get a grasp

1937
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:21,210
on you're trying to get you know an idea

1938
01:20:26,420 --> 01:20:23,730
in your own head and try to figure this

1939
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:26,430
out what how it makes sense to you and I

1940
01:20:31,490 --> 01:20:28,770
get that and that's why I agreed to this

1941
01:20:33,140 --> 01:20:31,500
Yass broadcast and no thing if I say if

1942
01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:33,150
I thought you were just out to you know

1943
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:35,070
crucifying me I wouldn't be here right

1944
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:36,420
now I'd be like yeah the guy's a joke

1945
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:38,640
you know yeah he doesn't want to know

1946
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:41,130
anything he's just here to be the dick

1947
01:20:45,379 --> 01:20:43,380
you know but you know and then depending

1948
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:45,389
on how this comes out well

1949
01:20:49,580 --> 01:20:47,130
that'll be you know I'll either defend

1950
01:20:51,259 --> 01:20:49,590
using the desk there I'll you know

1951
01:20:54,739 --> 01:20:51,269
basically say well he kind of hacked it

1952
01:20:58,429 --> 01:20:54,749
and that's not exactly what I said you

1953
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:58,439
know yeah I hope you know that you can

1954
01:21:01,250 --> 01:21:00,179
download it from Sky 4 after we

1955
01:21:02,989 --> 01:21:01,260
absolutely finish talking

1956
01:21:06,370 --> 01:21:02,999
I'm vegan I'm not even worried about it

1957
01:21:09,020 --> 01:21:06,380
man I I don't pull my punches

1958
01:21:13,129 --> 01:21:09,030
so it's either it's it's either All or

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01:21:14,679 --> 01:21:13,139
Nothing with me you're always there yeah

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01:21:17,389 --> 01:21:14,689
period cool

1961
01:21:19,549 --> 01:21:17,399
take it easy all right have a good night

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01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:19,559
that's good make it my post your family